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|    David Brown to olcott    |
|    Re: D simulated by H cannot possibly rea    |
|    13 Nov 25 08:54:56    |
   
   XPost: comp.theory, comp.lang.c++   
   From: david.brown@hesbynett.no   
      
   On 13/11/2025 05:36, olcott wrote:   
   > On 11/12/2025 9:49 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:   
   >> [...]   
   >>   
   >> I note that a substantial fraction of the articles recently posted   
   >> to comp.lang.c (and probably comp.lang.c++) are cross-posted to   
   >> comp.theory, and are about the Halting Problem.   
   >>   
   >> Some of these articles contain small fragments of C-like source code,   
   >> but I suggest that doesn't make them either topical or interesting   
   >> to most participants in the C and C++ newsgroups.   
   >>   
   >> I humbly suggest, yet again, that these discussions be restricted   
   >> to comp.theory, and that users try to edit the "Newsgroups:" header   
   >> even when replying to a cross-posted article.   
   >>   
   >   
   > int D()   
   > {   
   > int Halt_Status = H(D);   
   > if (Halt_Status)   
   > HERE: goto HERE;   
   > return Halt_Status;   
   > }   
   >   
   > I would love to do that after one person confirms   
   > that D simulated by H according to the semantics   
   > of the C programming language cannot reach its   
   > own "return" statement.   
   >   
   > People on all forums have been dodging that or   
   > lying about that consistently for three years.   
   >   
   > I only came to this forum to get that one question   
   > answered and until then I will keep repeating it   
   > several times a day forever. Feel free to keep   
   > ignoring it now that you know the consequences.   
   >   
      
   Given that you've been doing this for so many years, and got the same   
   results every time - everyone disagrees with your fundamental concepts -   
   what makes you think you can change people's minds by repeating the same   
   questions and claims?   
      
   If you are wrong, and everyone else is right, then you are wasting your   
   time and everyone else's time.   
      
   If you are right and everyone else is wrong, then your posts are /still/   
   wasting your time and everyone else's time.   
      
   If you are sure you are correct, you have to find a different way to   
   prove it. How about you stop repeating yourself on Usenet groups   
   (especially c.l.c and c.l.c++, but also comp.theory and other groups),   
   and do something /useful/ with your breakthrough? You suggested your   
   solution to the halting problem could lead to a universal truth   
   identifier that would save the world. Surely that is more worthy of   
   your time than beating your head against this wall? Give up on the   
   ignorant masses here, and work with the LLM's that believe in you to   
   create your truth identifier. When we hear on international news how it   
   is changing the world, we'll get back to you and apologise for our lack   
   of faith.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   
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