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   Philipp Klaus Krause to All   
   Re: _BitInt(N)   
   03 Dec 25 09:23:38   
   
   From: pkk@spth.de   
      
   Am 03.12.25 um 00:33 schrieb Keith Thompson:   
   >   
   > There have been actual uses of trigraphs.  Richard Heathfield posted   
   > this on this newsgroup in 2010 :   
   >   
   >      Yes, they are still needed, for example in some mainframe   
   >      environments.  They make the code look astoundingly ugly, but   
   >      they do at least make it work. It is not uncommon for "normal"   
   >      C code to be written and tested on PCs, then run through   
   >      a conversion program to replace monographs with trigraphs   
   >      where required before transfer to the mainframe for final   
   >      testing. That way, you get the readability where it matters,   
   >      and the usability where /that/ matters.   
   >   
   > But trigraphs have been removed in C23.   
   >   
      
   Yes; looking at the minutes now, I can see this was far more   
   controversial than what I remembered about trigraphs, and likely   
   wouldn't have happened if WG14 had required strong consensus then.   
      
   But I think Heathfields'd use case couls still work in C23 if we   
   consider that conversion program together with the compiler on the   
   mainframe to be the C implementation.   
      
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