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|    Janis Papanagnou to Waldek Hebisch    |
|    Re: Collatz Conjecture proved.    |
|    27 Jan 26 18:24:58    |
      From: janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com              On 2026-01-27 17:31, Waldek Hebisch wrote:       >       > Actually, part that is needed here is ancient, due to Eudoksos. Namely,       > real numebers a and b are equal if and only if comparing them with       > rational numbers gives the same result. In other words, a is different       > from b if and only if there is a rational number c between a and b,       > but not equal to either a or b. When computing something this       > principle is clumsy, but for proofs it works quit well. Thanks       > to this ancients we able compute (and prove) a bunch of transcendental       > equalities. Theory was finished by Dededking and Cantor who proved       > that number produced by limiting process exist (earlier this was       > consider true "by faith" or by invoking geometric intuition).              I think this needs some sorting. Speaking about "real numbers" in       context of Eudoksos gives a wrong impression. The ancient Greeks       expressed their mathematics in geometric properties and relations       of such entities. (Algebra, Real Numbers, etc., came much later.)              If you read modern articles you may find references to real numbers       in context of ancient Greek mathematics, but these are only used to       explain that old knowledge with modern methods.              Janis              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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