From: baf@nowhere.com   
      
   On 1/12/2025 2:20 PM, Steven G. Kargl wrote:   
   > On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 11:11:47 -0800, baf wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 1/10/2025 3:01 PM, Thomas Koenig wrote:   
   >>> Hm, OK.   I'm not familiar with how Simply Fortran operates; they do   
   >>> not cooperate with the gfortran team (but rather make money off the   
   >>> work of volunteers). If you have questions regarding teir toolbox,   
   >>> this is best addressed to them.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> It is not strictly true that the Simply Fortran folks make money off the   
   >> work of volunteers. They do not charge for the use of gfortran. Anyone   
   >> can install their software for free, and that installation provides   
   >> gfortran (and friends) that can be accessed from the command line   
   >> without any license from Simply Fortran. What they do charge for is   
   >> their IDE.   
   >   
   > I suppose that is one way to look at the situation. OTOH,   
   > Simply Fortran would not exist if gfortran did not exist.   
      
   That is probably true if no alternative Fortran compiler was available.   
   However, their IDE doesn't really depend that much a specific compiler,   
   and most of the operation could easily be used with any compiler that   
   had command line options.   
      
   > SF's homepage does not even bother to acknowledge that the   
   > Fortran compiler is in fact gfortran.  One does find on the   
   > 'Features' page: "Simply Fortran has been designed from the   
   > start with GNU Fortran integration as the primary goal."   
   > Additionally, there is no easily found information concerning   
   > the actual version of GCC that comes with SF.   
      
   While it could be displayed more predominantly, they certainly don't   
   hide the version number they are distributing on their news page when   
   describing a new version of the IDE.   
   >   
   > I suspect that Thomas's point is that the SF developer(s)   
   > have not sent bug reports, patches to fix bugs, engaged   
   > with any of gfortran's main contributors, or even said   
   > "Thank you".  Sure, the GPL does not require such behavior,   
   > but the current lack of interaction appears to be somewhat   
   > discourteous.   
   >   
      
   I agree that they certainly could/should interact with the gfortran   
   developers. I know that they (it appears to be primarily a single person   
   operation) have put in a lot of effort to ensure that gfortran builds   
   correctly for windows, which based on my years of building the compiler   
   for Windows, is a horrible job.   
      
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