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   From: void@invalid.noy   
      
   On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 10:13:30 -0700, a425couple   
    wrote:   
      
   >On 9/17/24 19:56, NefeshBarYochai wrote:   
   >On 9/17/24 19:56, NefeshBarYochai wrote:   
   > > As Israeli ministers, generals, and academics bay for a decisive new   
   > > phase in the war,   
   >   
   >Just think of how things would be different if in 1947 the   
   >Palestinians had accepted the UN and UK offered Partition Plan.   
   >They would now have had over 75 years progress on their own   
   >independent and free country.  They could have used pipes   
   >to build irrigation lines rather than rockets.  They could   
   >have used concrete to build resorts and hospitals and schools   
   >rather than terrorist tunnels.  But, no, sadly they sadly decided   
   >they would not compromise and share the land.  They decided   
   >they needed to have it all for themselves.  They decided to   
   >fight.   
      
      
   In 1947, they were asked to sign a treaty giving away to European and   
   American Jews half the land they had lived on for generations. If the   
   Jewish people needed a homeland, the Allies after WWII should have cut   
   off a piece of Germany and given that to them.   
      
      
   >   
   >Or, how about if they had decided to accept POTUS Bill Clinton's   
   >2000 offer?   
   >   
   >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit#:~:text=Th   
   %20proposal%20demanded%20any%20territory,narrow%20strip%20of%20Israeli%20land.   
   >   
   >"Clinton's initiative led to the Taba negotiations in January 2001,   
   >where the two sides published a statement saying they had never been   
   >closer to agreement   
   >   
   >Clinton blamed Arafat after the failure of the talks, stating, "I regret   
   >that in 2000 Arafat missed the opportunity to bring that nation into   
   >being and pray for the day when the dreams of the Palestinian people for   
   >a state and a better life will be realized in a just and lasting peace."   
   >The failure to come to an agreement was widely attributed to Yasser   
   >Arafat, as he walked away from the table without making a concrete   
   >counter-offer and because Arafat did little to quell the series of   
   >Palestinian riots that began shortly after the summit.[56][57][58]   
   >Arafat was also accused of scuttling the talks by Nabil Amr, a former   
   >minister in the Palestinian Authority.[59] In My Life, Clinton wrote   
   >that Arafat once complimented Clinton by telling him, "You are a great   
   >man." Clinton responded, "I am not a great man. I am a failure, and you   
   >made me one."[60]   
   >   
   >Ross also quoted Saudi Prince Bandar as saying while negotiations were   
   >taking place: "If Arafat does not accept what is available now, it won't   
   >be a tragedy; it will be a crime."[62]   
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