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   From: a425couple@hotmail.com   
      
   On 9/17/24 19:56, NefeshBarYochai wrote:   
   On 9/17/24 19:56, NefeshBarYochai wrote:   
    > As Israeli ministers, generals, and academics bay for a decisive new   
    > phase in the war,   
      
   Just think of how things would be different if in 1947 the   
   Palestinians had accepted the UN and UK offered Partition Plan.   
   They would now have had over 75 years progress on their own   
   independent and free country.  They could have used pipes   
   to build irrigation lines rather than rockets.  They could   
   have used concrete to build resorts and hospitals and schools   
   rather than terrorist tunnels.  But, no, sadly they sadly decided   
   they would not compromise and share the land.  They decided   
   they needed to have it all for themselves.  They decided to   
   fight.   
      
   Or, how about if they had decided to accept POTUS Bill Clinton's   
   2000 offer?   
      
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit#:~:text=The   
   20proposal%20demanded%20any%20territory,narrow%20strip%20of%20Israeli%20land.   
      
   "Clinton's initiative led to the Taba negotiations in January 2001,   
   where the two sides published a statement saying they had never been   
   closer to agreement   
      
   Clinton blamed Arafat after the failure of the talks, stating, "I regret   
   that in 2000 Arafat missed the opportunity to bring that nation into   
   being and pray for the day when the dreams of the Palestinian people for   
   a state and a better life will be realized in a just and lasting peace."   
   The failure to come to an agreement was widely attributed to Yasser   
   Arafat, as he walked away from the table without making a concrete   
   counter-offer and because Arafat did little to quell the series of   
   Palestinian riots that began shortly after the summit.[56][57][58]   
   Arafat was also accused of scuttling the talks by Nabil Amr, a former   
   minister in the Palestinian Authority.[59] In My Life, Clinton wrote   
   that Arafat once complimented Clinton by telling him, "You are a great   
   man." Clinton responded, "I am not a great man. I am a failure, and you   
   made me one."[60]   
      
   Ross also quoted Saudi Prince Bandar as saying while negotiations were   
   taking place: "If Arafat does not accept what is available now, it won't   
   be a tragedy; it will be a crime."[62]   
      
      
      
      
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