From: rich@example.invalid   
      
   Salvador Mirzo  wrote:   
   > D  writes:   
   >   
   >> On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>> This is the truth. I'm a contrarian kind of guy, so when the world   
   >>>> goes git, I go fossil. ;) Jokes aside, I like the concept of one   
   >>>> binary and how it works for my own personal use case.   
   >>>   
   >>> I went fossil when I had to teach a class.  I thought git was more   
   >>> complicated than fossil.  But it turns out that fossil was seen as   
   >>> crazily complicated by nearly all students (anyway).  I think fossil is   
   >>> just fine, though I confess I prefer the file system over a database.   
   >>   
   >> This is very interesting! What was it that the student thought was crazy   
   >> complicated compared with git?   
   >   
   > Not compared to git.  They did not get to see git.  They just hated   
   > fossil to the point of almost giving up on the whole course altogether.   
   > Very likely they knew that other courses would give them the same   
   > credits and they could try it afresh on the next semester.   
   >   
   > I don't have much information.  The command line seemed an awful   
   > experience to them.  I suspect that they thought that the command line   
   > was archaic means of system interface and that perhaps it was just a   
   > teacher idiosyncrasy.   
      
   For some (most? all?) they likely had only ever used a "touch/feely"   
   interface (i.e., phone) and so, yes, they were very ill equiped to even   
   comprehend a command line, much less be productive in one.   
      
   > This experience gave me the following feeling---they ask for real-world,   
   > pratical experience, but they're not up to an introduction to the tools   
   > used in the real-world.   
      
   They likely have never been out of their smartphone protected bubble.   
      
   >> I have taught classes with git (basics) and at the end of the day,   
   >> regardless of if you use git or fossil, it just requires a few simple   
   >> commands to get started at the basic level (we were not discussing   
   >> rebasing and huge software projects).   
   >   
   > I think it boils down to a lot more because these are compouter users   
   > that even ``environment variable'' is a never-seen concept.  I watched   
   > them opening a c:\> prompt on their Windows system, slowlying typing up   
   > their very long path to their project, say, and then doing it again on   
   > the next class---paths with spaces and other complicated symbols.   
      
   Which is (almost) the same they would do using a GUI or their phone.   
   Wherever the file manager defaults, they then meticiously "step" their   
   way over to where they want to be.  The concept of saving a 'bookmark'   
   (of sorts) to "go directly there" is likely foreign to them.  In fact,   
   they sound like the types who open the google search page, then type a   
   URL into the google search box, to go to that URL.   
      
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