From: smirzo@example.com   
      
   Rich  writes:   
      
   > Salvador Mirzo  wrote:   
   >> D  writes:   
   >>   
   >>> On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>> This is the truth. I'm a contrarian kind of guy, so when the world   
   >>>>> goes git, I go fossil. ;) Jokes aside, I like the concept of one   
   >>>>> binary and how it works for my own personal use case.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I went fossil when I had to teach a class.  I thought git was more   
   >>>> complicated than fossil.  But it turns out that fossil was seen as   
   >>>> crazily complicated by nearly all students (anyway).  I think fossil is   
   >>>> just fine, though I confess I prefer the file system over a database.   
   >>>   
   >>> This is very interesting! What was it that the student thought was crazy   
   >>> complicated compared with git?   
   >>   
   >> Not compared to git.  They did not get to see git.  They just hated   
   >> fossil to the point of almost giving up on the whole course altogether.   
   >> Very likely they knew that other courses would give them the same   
   >> credits and they could try it afresh on the next semester.   
   >>   
   >> I don't have much information.  The command line seemed an awful   
   >> experience to them.  I suspect that they thought that the command line   
   >> was archaic means of system interface and that perhaps it was just a   
   >> teacher idiosyncrasy.   
   >   
   > For some (most? all?) they likely had only ever used a "touch/feely"   
   > interface (i.e., phone) and so, yes, they were very ill equiped to even   
   > comprehend a command line, much less be productive in one.   
   >   
   >> This experience gave me the following feeling---they ask for real-world,   
   >> pratical experience, but they're not up to an introduction to the tools   
   >> used in the real-world.   
   >   
   > They likely have never been out of their smartphone protected bubble.   
   >   
   >>> I have taught classes with git (basics) and at the end of the day,   
   >>> regardless of if you use git or fossil, it just requires a few simple   
   >>> commands to get started at the basic level (we were not discussing   
   >>> rebasing and huge software projects).   
   >>   
   >> I think it boils down to a lot more because these are compouter users   
   >> that even ``environment variable'' is a never-seen concept.  I watched   
   >> them opening a c:\> prompt on their Windows system, slowlying typing up   
   >> their very long path to their project, say, and then doing it again on   
   >> the next class---paths with spaces and other complicated symbols.   
   >   
   > Which is (almost) the same they would do using a GUI or their phone.   
   > Wherever the file manager defaults, they then meticiously "step" their   
   > way over to where they want to be.  The concept of saving a 'bookmark'   
   > (of sorts) to "go directly there" is likely foreign to them.  In fact,   
   > they sound like the types who open the google search page, then type a   
   > URL into the google search box, to go to that URL.   
      
   I think you comprehend me pretty well. :)   
      
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