From: nospam@example.net   
      
   On Mon, 24 Feb 2025, Rich wrote:   
      
   >>   
   >> This is the truth! You are a philosopher king! In sweden, they stopped   
   >> scoring goals in football for children. When I was a child, and you were   
   >> bad at foot ball, you sat on the bench. Then you found another sport that   
   >> you actually had some aptitude for. Much better system if you ask me, and   
   >> also an experience that teaches valuable life lessons early!   
   >   
   > Fail to learn that the real world is an unforgiving mistress, and you   
   > will be constantly at odds with reality forever.  The "no score,   
   > everybody wins" method just breeds an enormous amount of snowflakes   
   > that expect everything handled to them on a silver platter.  Sadly,   
   > life hands you nothing unless you work to get it.   
      
   This is the truth! I try to impart this lesson to my students, but sadly I   
   don't   
   see them often enough or long enough to make the lesson stick. They are also a   
   bit too old, 20-40 (it's a vocational school so in quality probably similar to   
   a   
   US community college or something) so that makes it difficult to impart those   
   important life lessons and make sure they are deeply engrained.   
      
   >> Amen! I started to study engineering, and I could not stand the heat. I   
   >> discovered that physics and math was extremely boring. I could push   
   >> through by sheer force of will, but after 1 years I realized... why?   
   >> Wouldn't it be better to study something I actually enjoyed?   
   >   
   > I enjoyed Engineering, so most of the classes were /easy/ (relative   
   > measure, University Physics was significantly harder than high school   
   > Physics -- we covered all year from HS in the first month, then set off   
   > into uncharted territory) from my perspective.  Calculus classes were   
   > terrible, largely due to awful professors (Indian, thick accents, spoke   
   > 250wpm, wrote on board at 400wpm, skipped writing the 13 critically important   
   > intermediate steps in between each line that did get written on the   
   > board because they were trivially obvious *to the professor*).   
   > Electromagnetic Theory was the other one that was 'ugh', but a lot of   
   > that was that it was almost "calculus 4" in disguise.   
      
   I still get nightmares when I think about electromagnetic theory! Some people   
   who refused to give up, found a way to game the system. They took an exchange   
   year abroad in the US and took the equivalent class there. The good thing was   
   that you could pass that course in the US by doing multiple-choice exams, so   
   given enough attempts eventually they would pass it.   
      
   In sweden, at the time, there were no multiple choice exams. You got a problem,   
   did your calculations and then handed in the result + your calculations. If you   
   took too big steps, so the teacher could not follow your logic, they could fail   
   you on the question even if you arrived at the right answer.   
      
   >> In our other programs, 100% graudate. But only 50% work in IT, and they   
   >> have very low salaries.   
   >>   
   >> I cannot understand how they could not see cause an effect.   
   >   
   > It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary   
   > depends upon his not understanding it.   
   >   
   > Their (the admin's) performance measure was "number passed out", not   
   > "percent earning above average salary in job related to degree".   
      
   Amen!   
      
   >> Haha...  yes, reminds me of one of my teachers at a school, and on   
   >> the first day they had an open question session.  One arabian   
   >> gentleman asked...   
   >>   
   >> "Hey you... what's the salary? Will I be rich when I'm done?"   
   >>   
   >> The teacher: I'm X, you can call me X, that's perfectly fine."   
   >>   
   >> He: "What ever... what's the money?"   
   >>   
   >> The teacker: Sigh....  "if you are good, you earn well, if you are   
   >> bad, find another program."   
   >>   
   >> The student looked dissatisfied with the answer. ;)   
   >   
   > Likely a royal prince or duke or some other such 'secondary royal   
   > family member' who's been pampered and such his entire life, and so has   
   > no basis for understanding how the world really works.   
      
   Nah... more likely the son of the local al qaida terrorist. Sweden doesn't   
   import educated arabians. Only extremist moslems are allowed to immigrate.   
      
   --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)