From: smirzo@example.com   
      
   D  writes:   
      
   > On Mon, 24 Feb 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote:   
   >   
   >>> It is amazing! It was the 2 worst year of my life, and destryoed my   
   >>> trust in democracy. I stopped voting after that.   
   >>   
   >> I stopped voting by never quite beginning.  As soon as I could vote, I   
   >> went to live abroad.  I got back 10 years later, when I didn't want to   
   >> vote anymore.  A vote contributes to a perpetuation of a system.   
   >> Politicians use our votes to make their money.  I want nothing to do   
   >> with this.  Similarly to why I don't run Whatsapp.   
   >   
   > Yes, not to perpetuate the system is one of my reasons for not   
   > voting. It is funny, when I was young, I was very conservative. And as   
   > the years have passed, I've become more libertarian. My father, when   
   > he was young, was a communist, and during his life, he becase a   
   > moderate conservative.   
      
   I can say the same.  I was quite more leftist years ago.  It is very   
   sensible: if people need protection, say, it makes perfect sense that   
   we'd use our resources to protect them.  But then, with more experience,   
   you realize how non-trivial the situation is and that all of the   
   /sensible/ policy actually ends up working against itself.   
      
   >>> But I found a company that did saliva-based tests, and I called a   
   >>> doctor who watched me perform the saliva based tests on the phone,   
   >>> and eventually she was so tired of the process that she said, what   
   >>> ever... write your own certificate, slap my name and signature on   
   >>> it, and just email me if you travel so I know.   
   >>>   
   >>> So for 1 years, that's what I did. =D   
   >>   
   >> Lol.  She got tired. :)   
   >   
   > Yep! But the did also not like the vaccine, and let me in on a little   
   > secret.  About 30% of her clinics staff were not vaccinated because   
   > they thought the tests were too few and it was too early. Officially   
   > all said they were, and no one spoke about it out of fear of getting   
   > kicked out of the clinic, but in private, during hushed lunch   
   > conversations, many admitted to not getting vaccinated.   
      
   Very interesting.  I have a similar experience.  Every now and then I   
   hear from someone that they did not take any vaccine, or took one the   
   first shots, giving up afterwards.  Some (sadly) remark that they took a   
   first shot (or a few shots) but they never wanted to.  I have a very   
   close friend, for instance, who said she wouldn't take anything at all,   
   but that her son unfortunately took because he wanted to go to the   
   cinema.  (I almost couldn't believe what I heard.)  Another friend   
   remarked that she took three shots because she couldn't find a way out   
   due to her work---but she works in the same organization as I do.  The   
   rules were the same for the two of us, so that's a case of unclear   
   understanding of the rules.  That's something I've been telling my   
   family for many years.  We need to understand how the system works---in   
   this case, what was available at our work place that we could use to   
   protect ourselves?  The more we understand, the better we can protect   
   ourselves.   
      
   >>> But towards the end they hooked up all testing facilities to some EU   
   >>> surveillance register, so then it did not work anymore, but it was   
   >>> towards the   
   >>> end, so I didn't have the energy to get connected to it, but if it would   
   have   
   >>> continued, I would have started my own corona clinic.   
   >>   
   >> That [would have] been wild. :)   
      
   Fixing my typo above.  Instead of ``have'', I effectively added ``not''.   
      
   > Yes. I hope I will never have to. An acquaintance told me about a   
   > croatian doctor who earned good money with fake vaccinations of   
   > italian patients.  Italians who did not enjoy getting vaccinated   
   > traveled to croatia to this doctor, he would fake a vaccination,   
   > emptying the vials and putting on a fake bandaid and all, enter "all   
   > good" into the EU system, and that was it.   
      
   I think the fake vaccinations certificates can be seen as self defense.   
   It's harder to argue for the profit generated.  Perhaps one line of   
   defense is to make everything look perfectly normal for a perfect self   
   defense strategy.   
      
   >>> Then 6 months afte I quit the consulting gig, she kicked her out.   
   >>   
   >> They kicked her out.  Sad.  But pretty typical.   
   >>   
   >>> I laughed a lot! What goes around, comes around. I still wonder if   
   >>> she has that   
   >>> tattoo? =D   
   >>   
   >> She could do another one on top, which is a typical thing.  But the more   
   >> you do it, the more it hurts your skin.  So if she removed it (somehow)   
   >> or did something over, it's just getting worse.   
   >>   
   >> Sad, but can we do?  People can be pretty... You know.   
   >>   
   >>>> Lol.  I'm saying all of this to say that I would never believe that it's   
   >>>> really impossible for you to have kids.  Life is full of adversities.   
   >>>> My idea is that we should work on them 'til the end---unconcerned with   
   >>>> the end result.   
   >>>   
   >>> This is a very sound philosophy! I do feel perfectly at ease with   
   >>> either result, child or no child, but I have told my wife that as   
   >>> long as she wants it, I support us continuing trying. No matter the   
   >>> outcome, I'm fine with it. She is not however, which does make me   
   >>> sad.   
   >>   
   >> She's not fine with either result?  Meaning she wants kids no matter   
   >> what?   
   >   
   > Well, not no matter what, but let's say there is a very strong desire there.   
      
   Which is understandable.  Desires are something to pay very close   
   attention to.  I believe that sometimes a desire is really a call from   
   nature---not to say religious words here as I've been too religious   
   lately. :) But sometimes a desire is really pathological pleasure   
   seeking.  You know, you eat a chocolate, which feels awesome, and then   
   on the next day you want it again, and then again and again and again...   
   Even if it's not in excessive amounts, that's very likely a repetitive   
   search for pleasure, which might be more properly classified as a   
   dysfunction than something natural, but that's for the experts to   
   consider, not me.   
      
   So I pay very close attention to myself.  I do want kids and I seriously   
   want it.  But let's have a look at another side.  I have a close friend   
   who in years past worked on a non-governmental organization for   
   empowering women.  We've had lots of conversation about her work, which   
   was always very interesting to me.  One time she remarked that in poor   
   areas, young women often want to have kids because it gives them a   
   status in their community.  Women with kids are seen as more respectful   
   because they have to take care of kids and all that comes with it.  She   
   then concluded the story by remarking that, consequently, many young   
   women end up having kids without really wishing for the kids themselves.   
      
   In such cases, I can't say the desire to have kids is healthy.  So   
      
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