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   On Tue, 25 Feb 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote:   
      
   >> Yes, not to perpetuate the system is one of my reasons for not   
   >> voting. It is funny, when I was young, I was very conservative. And as   
   >> the years have passed, I've become more libertarian. My father, when   
   >> he was young, was a communist, and during his life, he becase a   
   >> moderate conservative.   
   >   
   > I can say the same.  I was quite more leftist years ago.  It is very   
   > sensible: if people need protection, say, it makes perfect sense that   
   > we'd use our resources to protect them.  But then, with more experience,   
   > you realize how non-trivial the situation is and that all of the   
   > /sensible/ policy actually ends up working against itself.   
      
   Many good hearted leftists are leftists because they cannot see or do not think   
   about second order, or third order, or N order effects. They get stuck at the   
   immediate problem and do not think of how the consequences of their immediate,   
   knee jerk, solution will cause more pain down the line. This is sad. =(   
      
   Then of course you have evil leftists who are fully aware of this, and are   
   leftists due to political power gains.   
      
   >>>> But I found a company that did saliva-based tests, and I called a   
   >>>> doctor who watched me perform the saliva based tests on the phone,   
   >>>> and eventually she was so tired of the process that she said, what   
   >>>> ever... write your own certificate, slap my name and signature on   
   >>>> it, and just email me if you travel so I know.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> So for 1 years, that's what I did. =D   
   >>>   
   >>> Lol.  She got tired. :)   
   >>   
   >> Yep! But the did also not like the vaccine, and let me in on a little   
   >> secret.  About 30% of her clinics staff were not vaccinated because   
   >> they thought the tests were too few and it was too early. Officially   
   >> all said they were, and no one spoke about it out of fear of getting   
   >> kicked out of the clinic, but in private, during hushed lunch   
   >> conversations, many admitted to not getting vaccinated.   
   >   
   > Very interesting.  I have a similar experience.  Every now and then I   
   > hear from someone that they did not take any vaccine, or took one the   
   > first shots, giving up afterwards.  Some (sadly) remark that they took a   
   > first shot (or a few shots) but they never wanted to.  I have a very   
   > close friend, for instance, who said she wouldn't take anything at all,   
   > but that her son unfortunately took because he wanted to go to the   
   > cinema.  (I almost couldn't believe what I heard.)  Another friend   
   > remarked that she took three shots because she couldn't find a way out   
   > due to her work---but she works in the same organization as I do.  The   
   > rules were the same for the two of us, so that's a case of unclear   
   > understanding of the rules.  That's something I've been telling my   
   > family for many years.  We need to understand how the system works---in   
   > this case, what was available at our work place that we could use to   
   > protect ourselves?  The more we understand, the better we can protect   
   > ourselves.   
      
   I heard about a woman who was kicked out of blue shield due to not taking   
   vaccines. She won a law suit and got millions in damages! =D There is hope!   
      
   >>>> But towards the end they hooked up all testing facilities to some EU   
   >>>> surveillance register, so then it did not work anymore, but it was   
   >>>> towards the   
   >>>> end, so I didn't have the energy to get connected to it, but if it would   
   have   
   >>>> continued, I would have started my own corona clinic.   
   >>>   
   >>> That [would have] been wild. :)   
   >   
   > Fixing my typo above.  Instead of ``have'', I effectively added ``not''.   
   >   
   >> Yes. I hope I will never have to. An acquaintance told me about a   
   >> croatian doctor who earned good money with fake vaccinations of   
   >> italian patients.  Italians who did not enjoy getting vaccinated   
   >> traveled to croatia to this doctor, he would fake a vaccination,   
   >> emptying the vials and putting on a fake bandaid and all, enter "all   
   >> good" into the EU system, and that was it.   
   >   
   > I think the fake vaccinations certificates can be seen as self defense.   
   > It's harder to argue for the profit generated.  Perhaps one line of   
   > defense is to make everything look perfectly normal for a perfect self   
   > defense strategy.   
      
   True. The profits can be used to develop privacy respecting services and make   
   sure people have options if a similar pandemic occurs again.   
      
   >>>> Then 6 months afte I quit the consulting gig, she kicked her out.   
   >>>   
   >>> They kicked her out.  Sad.  But pretty typical.   
   >>>   
   >>>> I laughed a lot! What goes around, comes around. I still wonder if   
   >>>> she has that   
   >>>> tattoo? =D   
   >>>   
   >>> She could do another one on top, which is a typical thing.  But the more   
   >>> you do it, the more it hurts your skin.  So if she removed it (somehow)   
   >>> or did something over, it's just getting worse.   
   >>>   
   >>> Sad, but can we do?  People can be pretty... You know.   
   >>>   
   >>>>> Lol.  I'm saying all of this to say that I would never believe that it's   
   >>>>> really impossible for you to have kids.  Life is full of adversities.   
   >>>>> My idea is that we should work on them 'til the end---unconcerned with   
   >>>>> the end result.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> This is a very sound philosophy! I do feel perfectly at ease with   
   >>>> either result, child or no child, but I have told my wife that as   
   >>>> long as she wants it, I support us continuing trying. No matter the   
   >>>> outcome, I'm fine with it. She is not however, which does make me   
   >>>> sad.   
   >>>   
   >>> She's not fine with either result?  Meaning she wants kids no matter   
   >>> what?   
   >>   
   >> Well, not no matter what, but let's say there is a very strong desire there.   
   >   
   > Which is understandable.  Desires are something to pay very close   
   > attention to.  I believe that sometimes a desire is really a call from   
   > nature---not to say religious words here as I've been too religious   
   > lately. :) But sometimes a desire is really pathological pleasure   
   > seeking.  You know, you eat a chocolate, which feels awesome, and then   
   > on the next day you want it again, and then again and again and again...   
   > Even if it's not in excessive amounts, that's very likely a repetitive   
   > search for pleasure, which might be more properly classified as a   
   > dysfunction than something natural, but that's for the experts to   
   > consider, not me.   
   >   
   > So I pay very close attention to myself.  I do want kids and I seriously   
   > want it.  But let's have a look at another side.  I have a close friend   
   > who in years past worked on a non-governmental organization for   
   > empowering women.  We've had lots of conversation about her work, which   
   > was always very interesting to me.  One time she remarked that in poor   
   > areas, young women often want to have kids because it gives them a   
   > status in their community.  Women with kids are seen as more respectful   
      
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