From: rich@example.invalid   
      
   Scott Dorsey  wrote:   
   > Scott Dorsey  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>We also have a bunch of IT programs which are really business school   
   >>programs with some computing added.  I think those are pretty much   
   >>worthless, but they get a lot of students.   
   >   
   > Oh, and I will say that most of the students that I deal with   
   > personally are not CS students at all but engineering students.  They   
   > get one programming class, usually in Matlab, and no basic computer   
   > literacy stuff at all.   
      
   Just one programming class..... in Matlab???  For Engineering.  Ugh.   
      
   I had (if memory serves) at least one Pascal class, one Fortran class,   
   and an assembler (CDC Cyber 7000 - a really weird CPU on the inside)   
   class, all required classes for Engineering.  Pascal class was trivial   
   (had already done plenty of UCSD Pascal on Apple II in high-school) so   
   just had to adjust to the small difference in the CDC Cyber Pascal we   
   were using.  Fortran was similarly trivial, but oh did I come to hate   
   Fortran in the end.  Just had to learn the "fortranisms", as I already   
   understood the over-arching "how to program" aspects.  The assembler   
   class was also itself trivial (had done loads of 6502 assembler by this   
   point, and some 8086 assembler, provided one considered DOS's debug an   
   'assembler' of sorts).  Just had to "learn the language" rather than   
   the "how to program" part.   
      
   But, /just/ matlab.  That is so wrong on so many levels.   
      
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