From: none@invalid.com   
      
   On 28/02/2025 10:57, Stefan Ram wrote:   
   > ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted:   
   >> IIRC at one point in time around 1981, the answer was:   
   >> You buy a Lisa. The "Lisa Workshop" is the development system   
   >> for the Mac.   
   >   
   >    The Lisa might have been used internally at Apple in 1982 and   
   >    was released 1983.   
   >   
   >> (After a few years, Macintosh-native development system were   
   >> developed.)   
   >   
   >    The Macintosh was released in 1984-01, and around 1986, the   
   >    Lisa Workshop was replaced with the Macintosh Programmer's   
   >    Workshop which ran inside the Macintosh operating system.   
   >   
   >   
   Ah Lisa and Apple Classcal.   
      
   I can remember when we had 2 Apple Lisas. The were slow (5MHz 68000 CPU)   
   and the hard disk was connected over a modified Centronics parallel   
   port. But wow it was fun.   
      
   Then a Mac arrived. We have 240V mains in the UK and the US has 110V. We   
   had Mac serial number 000005 in the UK and it came with a 110V   
   autotransformer almost as big as the Mac itself.   
      
   Mac development was done on the Lisa. Then sometime later a set of ROMS   
   were issued that turned a Lisa into a slow Mac. And we had MPW running   
   on it.   
      
   Who remembers the comment in the memory map for the Mac,  "6 bytes for   
   our friends from Seattle"?   
      
   --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05   
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