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   > True. Could be a good example of pleasure now, at the expense of pain later.   
      
   Right.   
      
   >> By the way, if I were mildly inclined to the same, I could likely be   
   >> there myself.  When they moved in, they threw various parties and   
   >> invited me to them all.  I had lots of chances to blend in, but I   
   >> couldn't, really: I don't drink; I don't stay up all the night; what I   
   >   
   > Haha, well, sounds like you probably did yourself a favour. I am   
   > fascinated! In sweden, it would be exceptionally rare that any   
   > neighbour would be invited.   
      
   I see a lot of neighbors here that don't get along.  I am probably a   
   very respectful person and perhaps also extroverted and perhaps also   
   usually happy because people do seem to like to see me.  I greet people   
   whenever I see them.  I tend to think that whenever I see a human being   
   I should greet that person.  Of course, we can't do it in a crowded   
   place, but we can surely do it on our street, at work, the places we   
   usually go and so on.  I do it.  First a greet, then another and another   
   and... Last Saturday of Carnival I was having ice cream with a neighbor   
   of mine who is a lady likely in her 80s.  I also met her son who is   
   likely a bit older than I am.  And there's more of their family in the   
   street too, but I haven't met them yet.  Another habit of mine is that I   
   pretty much ask no questions and answer anyone that comes at me with a   
   brave honesty and kindness.  This could be improperly seen as small   
   talk, but given that I can be pretty honest with a no-nonsense attitude,   
   people would lose the wrong impression if they come a bit closer.   
      
   >> eat is the nearly the bare minimum and from a very picky selection.   
   >> It's a totally different life style.  And, hey, don't get me wrong: I   
   >> actually like them.  I like both of them.  One of the first things I do   
   >> when I wake up is open up my window.  I love natural light.  I only   
   >> opened my window by midday that day---that's when they had already left   
   >> home (likely to some more fun).  I also spotted my neighbor's friend   
   >> with his head down on a table trying to rest a bit.  In all probability,   
   >> they spent the night out, arrived in the morning with the two girls and   
   >> didn't sleep for a minute.  Of course, with whisky, Red Bulls, beers and   
   >> that kind of nonsense.   
   >   
   > Haha... wow! I don't think I could do that in my 30s even. ;)   
   > Brazilians are very well trained! ;)   
      
   I could never really do that myself.  In my teens and 20s, I could stay   
   up all night, but I never ever liked to go to bed after the Sun was up.   
   I had to sleep before it was morning; it never felt good otherwise.  I   
   think the morning light (and being exceptionally tired) didn't let my   
   body rest too much.  Sometimes I think that by falling asleep with the   
   body tense, say, kinda keeps it tense throughout the night.  But that's   
   just a wild thought.   
      
   >> That's one of the things I eventually noticed.  The first thing to do to   
   >> put your life in order is to quit all drugs---bad food included.  To   
   >> enjoy a whole night without sleep, you gotta be on something.  The body   
   >> loves to sleep if it's well regulated.   
   >   
   > I probably shouldn't tell your this, but I looooove Mc Donalds   
   > hamburgers! ;) My wife forbids me from eating them too often, so I'm   
   > probably at about 9 per year or so. ;)   
      
   Lol!  Here's a sermon made specially for... Lol.  Just kidding.  To tell   
   you the truth, I kinda like it a lot, too.  Now, one thing is true---it   
   tastes better if don't eat it every day, say.  I've had weeks in which I   
   indulged in it perhaps eating McDonald's every day, along with ice   
   cream, coffee and other terrible ideas.  Thank God I'm got out of that   
   alive.  These days, gluten hits me pretty bad.  It still tastes good,   
   but it doesn't after the food starts taking its effect.  I didn't feel   
   like that in my teens, but after I started quitting all of this bad   
   stuff, I can't seem to go back to it at all.   
      
   But I know how good it feels.   
      
   I'm fairly convinced, though, that the real best stuff is---like you're   
   doing---to take things in moderation.  Nine McDonald's per year (so long   
   as they're uniformly distributed in the year) is pretty alright, I   
   think.  It's roughly one per month.  I think that's enough time for the   
   body to handle it quite well.  Why do I think that?  Observation.   
      
   >>> Hmm, I never think I ever experienced anything like it in the far, far   
   >>> north. People are way too reserved for anything like that to happen,   
   >>> at least where I have been living, oh, and of course there's never   
   >>> been any swimming pools close by as well. ;)   
   >>   
   >> I do believe Brazilians are on average less reserved.  There's a lot of   
   >> poor people here.  People who live in the slums, for example.  I have   
   >> never been too close, but they're everywhere so I often observe them.   
   >> One problem I've spent some hours (that is, almost nothing) on is why do   
   >> poor people talk so loud.  My hypothesis is that they grow up in   
   >> space-deprived environments, neighbors are too close by, no privacy and   
   >> so on.  It becomes the normal thing, so they might not feel being   
   >> exposed at all to whoever is around.   
   >   
   > Loud? Southern europeans are loud by my standard, so if they are loud   
   > by your standards, then they must be _really_ loud! I once had a   
   > brazilian colleague from Sao Paolo for 2 months, and he was a really   
   > nice guy. But once he had some fellow brazilians over and the volume   
   > did increase. =)   
      
   Lol.  Sorry about that! :)   
      
   > I suspect he came from a wealthy family because when he went back to   
   > Brazil, his luggage was full of play stations and electronics that he   
   > said he could easily sell at twice the price. There must have been   
   > some very high tariffs at that time.   
      
   That doesn't sound like someone very wealthy.   
      
   >>> If all are in on it, who am I to judge? Our dear lord teaches us to   
   >>> "judge not...". On the other hand, if his wife is not in on it, it   
   >>> is very sad and immoral.   
   >>   
   >> I claim she is in on it, not consciously in on it though.  But she's in   
   >> on it in a deeper level.  For instance, I classify her as an alcoholic.   
   >> I don't think her husband is an alcoholic in the same level as she is,   
   >> but technically I do include him in the alcoholism classification, too.   
   >> He surely needs alcohol, for example, to have the kind of night we   
   >> described earlier.  So many people do.   
   >   
   > He sounds like he would be right at home in northern europe. No fun   
   > there unless alcohol is in involved.   
      
   Yeah---I suppose there might be cultures out there that drink a lot more   
   than Brazilians.  I don't think Brazilians do too bad, but it's been   
   getting worse.  There's an Americanization of the food industry here.   
   Brazilians are going in on it.  I remember over 10 years ago seeing on   
   TV that over 52% of Brazil is overweight.  That was unthinkable in the   
   70s or the 80s, say.   
      
   >>> The only logical way out of this dilemma, is to continue to shrink   
   >>> the groups until they consist of groups with one member, the   
   >>> individual, and then they can reach the conclusion that we are all   
   >>> individuals, and the only way to sustainably create a society is if   
   >>> all individuals are respected.   
   >>   
   >> Of course.   
   >>   
   >> This stuff is all complete nonsense.  Not even worth a discussion.  I   
   >> don't even use the word you began your paragraph [with]---I never   
   >> said it out loud and never wrote it.  Let's keep it that way. :)   
   >   
   > You are a philosopher king!   
      
   Lol!   
      
      
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