From: smirzo@example.com
D writes:
> On Fri, 21 Mar 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote:
>
>>> What is this about? Maybe I should make a note of that text.
>>
>> That's a conversation David Bohm held with an audience (in California,
>> if I recall correctly). The book is a transcription of the
>> conversation. In those dialogs, David Bohm tries to convey what he
>> means by a ``dialogue''. While an intellectual discussion is typically
>> a subtle fight, as Jiddu Krishnamurti (David Bohm's friend) would
>> describe, Bohm's dialogue is a certain construction among two or more
>> people in which /listening/ (in the Krishamurti's sense) is key.
>>
>> I believe it was in an interview that David Bohm gave to Professor
>> Wilkins---which was an interview meant to write a biography of David
>> Bohm, which I believe never happened---that David Bohm remarked and
>> pretty much nobody had ever understood his notion of dialogue, and that
>> made it even more interesting because it suggests that it has a certain
>> subtleness that could be escaping people---and then I wonder if it
>> escaped me too.
>
> Sounds a bit like Jürgen Habermas and his ideal dialogues.
I need to look this guy up. I hope I remember to do it before I send
this article. I'm began my offline mode. So now I can't look stuff up
and can't lose myself in a web of tangents.
Do you know what type of people gets off on tangents most easily?
Schizophrenics (of a certain kind). (I believe they would be the
paranoid schizophrenics.) So, the more you get off on tangents, the
closer you are to the diagnostic. :P Embrace offline mode and keep your
sanity.
>>>> By the way, if I were mildly inclined to the same, I could likely be
>>>> there myself. When they moved in, they threw various parties and
>>>> invited me to them all. I had lots of chances to blend in, but I
>>>> couldn't, really: I don't drink; I don't stay up all the night; what I
>>>
>>> Haha, well, sounds like you probably did yourself a favour. I am
>>> fascinated! In sweden, it would be exceptionally rare that any
>>> neighbour would be invited.
>>
>> I see a lot of neighbors here that don't get along. I am probably a
>
> Ahh... sounds more normal! ;) In my current apartment, the community
> is either non-existent or nuts. I don't like them, and therefore I am
> selling the apartment.
Not an unwise decision. But the wises decision is to buy a house. An
apartment is like living together with strange people, except that you
have a very nice room (that comes with a kitchen inside) that gives you
a good sense of privacy. (But you have none.)
> In the other 2 places I have apartments, I do like the community! 66%
> goodness! ;)
Dude, 66% is no good. :)
>>> I probably shouldn't tell your this, but I looooove Mc Donalds
>>> hamburgers! ;) My wife forbids me from eating them too often, so I'm
>>> probably at about 9 per year or so. ;)
>>
>> Lol! Here's a sermon made specially for... Lol. Just kidding. To tell
>> you the truth, I kinda like it a lot, too. Now, one thing is true---it
>
> I mean, come on... who doesn't? ;)
Lol. Those who were not raised eating it. Cheddar McMelt is my
favorite. The most beautiful girl I ever dated was hungry one day and
she wanted to stop by McDonalds. We did it. It was lunch time but I
wasn't hungry---because I didn't think I had enough money for McDonalds
(and I would still get home for lunch). She bought a Cheddar McMelt.
She asked me if I wanted some. I said no. She reserved a bite for me
that she called the best part. I still refused. :( I think I was 15.
Not having enough money put me in a tough position there. I couldn't
admit it. I had never eaten a Cheddar McMelt 'til then. I never
thought I would like it. Many years later I tried it out. It's all I
eat now when I go there---once every 5 years?
>> indulged in it perhaps eating McDonald's every day, along with ice
>> cream, coffee and other terrible ideas. Thank God I'm got out of that
>> alive. These days, gluten hits me pretty bad. It still tastes good,
>> but it doesn't after the food starts taking its effect. I didn't feel
>> like that in my teens, but after I started quitting all of this bad
>> stuff, I can't seem to go back to it at all.
>
> Interesting. I have also noted more weird feelings in my stomach as
> I've gotten older. I wonder, is it age? When I was young I could eat
> and drink anything and never get a weird feeling in my stomach.
I think ``age'' just means ``lost some health''. There's some evidence
that the body has a certain tolerance for things. You lose that
tolerance when you abuse it. If you stop the abuse, that tolerance is
built again (as much as possible?).
This is the good tolerance. People use the word tolerance for a bad
kind---such as being alcohol tolerant the more you drink. Perhaps the
body finds a way to throwing alcohol away when the volume is high? If I
drank a lot of coffee and noticed that after some point, more caffeine
almost seems like doing nothing---perhaps just keeping the level at the
highest?
>>> Loud? Southern europeans are loud by my standard, so if they are loud
>>> by your standards, then they must be _really_ loud! I once had a
>>> brazilian colleague from Sao Paolo for 2 months, and he was a really
>>> nice guy. But once he had some fellow brazilians over and the volume
>>> did increase. =)
>>
>> Lol. Sorry about that! :)
>
> No worries... it is very interesting to note these differences between
> cultures. =)
It was more like a joke---I'm apologizing on behalf of my countrymen.
Surely it's not my responsibility that my countrymen are not very
polite. :) (Except that it is because they're all humans.)
It turns out I identify myself very little with Brazilians. But I think
the problem is not Brazil. I think I just identify myself with a type
of people that could be called intelligent. Not intellectuals; not
mathematicians, say; not academics. I don't think I have any connection
with these people. But some are really intelligent and I do seem to
admire them. I identify myself with many poor people with no
instruction. Some can be very intelligent and very compassionate.
Above all, I identify myself with people with vigor, passion and energy.
>>> He sounds like he would be right at home in northern europe. No fun
>>> there unless alcohol is in involved.
>>
>> Yeah---I suppose there might be cultures out there that drink a lot more
>> than Brazilians. I don't think Brazilians do too bad, but it's been
>> getting worse. There's an Americanization of the food industry here.
>> Brazilians are going in on it. I remember over 10 years ago seeing on
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