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   On 30/03/2025 07:19, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:   
   > On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 14:01:40 +0000, John Rumm wrote:   
   >   
   >> However keep in mind that paying for software from commercial vendors   
   >> like MS also pays for large swathes of the "free" software you might   
   >> otherwise choose, since many of those developers can only afford to   
   >> donate time to open source projects only because they have income from a   
   >> "money grabbing" software vendor.   
   >   
   > If only that were true. Most of those money-grabbing businesses are too   
   > willing to take and not give back.   
      
   Hmmm, let's see if that lives up to scrutiny...   
      
   You might note that the linux kernel has sizeable and frequent   
   contributions from IBM, Google, MS, Red Hat, Oracle. Plus loads of CPU   
   optimisation from AMD and Intel. I don't recall needing to pay for all   
   the work on linux for WSL either.   
      
   Kubernates - originally developed by Google, now with contributions for   
   MS, VMWare, Amazon and IBM.   
      
   Chromium, initially developed by Google with substantial additional work   
   by MS, Opera, Samsung   
      
   React - faceache (Meta), MS, Shopify   
      
   VS Code - MS, Read Hat, Google.   
      
   Apache Spark - Originally UC Berkeley, now MS, Amazon   
      
   LLVM - Apple, Google, Intel, AMD   
      
   Android yada yada, the list goes on.   
      
   Note that the above include substantial contributions from developers   
   being paid by their employers to make contribution to free software   
   products - not just "spare time" hobby contributions from their developers.   
      
   > Then we have those users who complain about Free software not being as   
   > good as the proprietary stuff.   
      
   That would probably be because in some cases it is not as good. Often   
   when you need software for a new task, you need it now and can't wait   
   the potential years for the free version to get good enough.   
      
   > If they would divert some of the money they   
   > give to the proprietary vendors and give it to the Free software   
   > developers, think how much better those products could be.   
      
   Yup, loads of stuff could be better if someone were willing to pay for it.   
      
   --   
   Cheers,   
      
   John.   
      
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