From: nospam@example.net   
      
   On Thu, 10 Apr 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote:   
      
   >> True. My usenet/mailinglist debt is starting to grow. I have become   
   >> involved in way too detailed and deep interesting conversations, and   
   >> they are starting to take their toll. =(   
   >   
   > I think I saw some of your chats on rec.food.cooking.  You gotta get   
   > outta there.  That group is crazy and the volume, insane.   
      
   Oh yes, it takes great skill and loads of time to keep up with the flow there.   
   Perhaps too much time. =(   
      
   At the same time, some in that group elevate trolling to a very sublime art   
   form! I've had close to spiritual experiences reading some of that beautiful   
   trolling there. =D   
      
   But yes, I am currently on vacation, so I think once I get back into it,   
   probably the best course of action is just to delete everything and start from   
   scratch.   
      
   >>> I don't think we can.  That would mean that a point can change the   
   >>> uniform average.  We could do something if we go from a uniform average   
   >>> to a weighted one and we somehow acquire the huge weight.  Nah.  I don't   
   >>> think there's true change that way.  I don't think we can change the   
   >>> world.  I don't think we should change the world.  Let nature follow its   
   >>> own course.   
   >>   
   >> What if it is in my nature to change the world? Then that would be nature   
   >> following its own course. ;)   
   >>   
   >> The biggest change can start with the smallest idea!   
   >   
   > Today I watched the documentary series called   
   >   
   >  The Century of the Self   
   >   
   > It's a good illustration of people mean by ``change'' in the world. :)   
      
   Excellent documentary! Maybe I should re-watch it. It's been a couple of years   
   since I last saw it.   
      
   >>> Should a 4-leaf clover try to make every other a 4-leaf one?   
   >>   
   >> Yes!   
   >   
   > Lol.  Speechless. :)   
      
   )   
      
      
   >> As we discussed above, I think a house in the country side, deep   
   >> inside the forest would be the ideal place for me!   
   >   
   > Sounds very interesting.   
      
   Yes! But let's see. It needs to be far away. The trick is convincing the wife   
   who does need culture and things to do. ;)   
      
   >> Ah, you mean modern analytical philosophy? ;) Pick up a book on   
   >> metaphysics and marvel at the nonsense! ;)   
   >   
   > Specially if it's contemporary writing.   
      
   Amen!   
      
   >>>> There are facts, and then there are "facts". Is it true that blue is   
   >>>> the best color? Good luck answering that objectively. ;)   
   >>>   
   >>> There are meaningless sentences and questions.  Chomsky constructs the   
   >>> famous one---colorless green ideas sleep furiously.  Good luck trying to   
   >>> picture that in any way.  Truth (and philosophy) is not about nonsense.   
   >>> It's about honestly making sense of things.   
   >>   
   >> Sometimes I think that is lost in a lot of modern philosophy.   
   >   
   > By ``modern'' do you mean contemporary philosophy?  ``Modern''   
   > philosophy is that of Descartes, for example.   
      
   Contemporary.   
      
   >> Well, for me, Kants biggest insight, is that we can never get to the   
   >> metaphysical through the physical. But then he adds a lot of stuff   
   >> onto that, and I don't quite agree with where he goes.   
   >   
   > I'm not sure what exactly you're talking about here.  I'm not a Kant   
   > reader.  Are you talking about the Critique of Pure Reason?  I did read   
   >   
   >  Prolegomena do Any Methaphysics   
   >  (that will be able to come forward as a science)   
   >   
   > and that's a pretty understandable book.  This book is a good   
   > introduction to the Critique of Pure Reason, but I think I don't really   
   > recommend you get into any of this stuff.  There's a lot more   
   > interesting things in life.   
      
   Agreed! Yes, I was talking about critique of pure reason. I also agree that   
   there is very little point in reading Kant unless you are interested in it for   
   its own sake. =)   
      
   >> Amen! A very important question that should be asked from time to   
   >> time. I am tomorrow leaving for a 2 month vacation. First 1 month in   
   >> spain, then a weekend in Lyon, and then a month in sweden. I am   
   >> already looking forward to a lot of good food in spain and 20+ C   
   >> weather!   
   >   
   > Nice.  Enjoy!   
      
   I'm doing my best! I did have a little relapse now onto the Usenet and I am   
   almost regretting it. ;)   
      
   >> I am not looking forward to travel. Modern travel I find   
   >> dehumanizing. It is all built around controlling the masses, and   
   >> treating them as badly as possible, while still taking their money.   
   >   
   > Oh, that's quite right.  I see the same.  The best way to travel in the   
   > end is by your own means such as by car, but then there's how good the   
      
   I've never been much into cars and I do not like to drive, _but_, I often   
   thought if driving could become more relaxing and less of a chore (and I'm   
   talking driving between countries, which would be 8-36 hours of driving to get   
   where I want to get) if I bought an older luxury car?   
      
   Small, modern cars are painfully loud and unstable on the highway. I do not   
   enjoy driving those.   
      
   > roads are, how far you go...  Staying in hotels used to be a great   
   > experience, but it's not quite anymore.  We have a complete   
   > deterioration of everything.   
      
   This is the truth! Hotels nowadays, is just one big surveillance center. I   
   prefer staying in my own house, a small B&B or airbnb if possible.   
      
   >> If I had infinite amounts of money, I would travel by private jet. If   
   >> I had an infinitely compassionate wife I would not travel at all. I   
   >> would be perfectly content to spend the rest of my life in my house,   
   >> deep in the forest, fishing.   
   >   
   > Yeah---gotta question a bit the need for traveling and tourism.  What's   
   > that all about?  I like to travel to see people, not places.  I honestly   
   > care very little to see culture and places.  It's different if you are   
   > my friend and you're interesting---then Sweden becomes interesting, too.   
   > So I'm usually interested where my family and friends are.   
      
   You are a philosopher king! My parents dragged me all around the glove several   
   times over by the time I was 16. After that, due to my job, I had to travel   
   several times more around the globe. I am so sick and tired of travelling, and   
   the fact that my wife loves travelling is one of my great pains and sorrows.   
      
   People all around the planet are the same, and I can watch all the monuments   
   and   
   pyramids I like online or on TV in the privacy of my home, without sweating   
   with   
   1000s of other tourists.   
      
   If I travel, it is to live in a place, preferably at least 6-12 months or more.   
   Travelling over the weekend is just my version of hell.   
      
   >> I feel I have done enough for the world. I feel like I can retire to   
   >> fishing with a perfectly clear conscience. =D   
   >   
   > Sounds like wisdom to me.   
      
   Thank you! I will tell my wife, that now it's not just me, but 2 people arguing   
   in favour of that! =D   
      
   >>>> True! No hocus pocus at all! =)   
   >>>   
   >>> You see, we have this preference for destroying mystery.  Other people   
   >>> prefer the mystic.  We are more warranted in our preference than the   
   >>> others are in theirs, but we should do it very carefully because   
      
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