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   Lawrence D'Oliveiro  wrote:   
   > On Sun, 22 Jun 2025 14:39:53 -0000 (UTC), Ben Collver wrote:   
   >   
   > > It all starts with a popular toolkit library like QTK. Even if people   
   > > don't upgrade X11, if they run a browser, they're on the upgrade   
   > > treadmill.   
   >   
   > If you try to pull an XFree86, someone will pull an Xorg on you.   
      
   They already did:   
   https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/20/new_version_of_xorg_x11/   
      
   although unclear how much takeup this will get.   
      
   Partly it's a response to the Wayland developers refrain of "Wayland is the   
   One True Way; we're not sorry that all the basic stuff you relied on with   
   X11 doesn't work; we don't care".  Meanwhile, with tools for doing Real   
   Work:   
      
   https://www.kicad.org/blog/2025/06/KiCad-and-Wayland-Support/   
      
   Theo   
      
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