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   Wally J to badgolferman   
   Re: Much like Steve's FCC-coverage maps,   
   22 Dec 23 13:14:31   
   
   XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy   
   From: walterjones@invalid.nospam   
      
   badgolferman  wrote   
      
   >> There isn't anyone intelligent in racing circuits who doesn't know the   
   >> significance of the catenary in terms of teaching basic racing skills.   
   >   
   > I¢m not a racer, but I would guess it has something to do with calculating   
   > how to enter and exit a curve. As a motorcycle rider there are some very   
   > fine points of curve management one must learn to handle their bike safely.   
      
   Hi badgolferman,   
      
   This is a seminal discussion which shows what the iKooks really are   
   and which needs to be in the public record for future generations.   
      
   Exactly. This is why I've never considered you (or Ant or Steve, et al.) an   
   iKook but why _everyone_ knows that Alan Baker, for one, is an iKook.   
      
   You have the cognitive ability to comprehend that physical forces are the   
   same in all directions, particularly the forces that suspend a bridge are   
   the same forces that act upon a motorcycle navigating a curve at speed.   
      
   As an aside (owning a K1200 myself as I believe you have a Gold Wing), it   
   mostly applies in racing circuits (as the real world has opposing traffic).   
      
   It's likely that Alan Baker, even after furiously searching for the   
   definition, found mostly equidistant suspension bridging references, and   
   yet, since he lacks any education in Calculus or Physics, he can't relate   
   the vertical directional forces with the same horizontally directed forces.   
      
   Worse, while he claims to own a BMW, he's ignorant of the most basic of the   
   terms used for bimmers and beemers alike, which means his mind is on off.   
      
   Likewise, he claims to "teach racing" and yet he's likely never heard of a   
   catenary, which, let's be clear, would be discussed in any racing circuit   
   (other than straight-line drag racing perhaps, as no curves are involved).   
      
    *How do you deal with people that far to the left of the 1st D-K quartile?*   
      
   The point of bringing up the catenary or the metric tensor or Christoffel   
   symbols or even Dunning Kruger effects isn't so much what they are - but   
   that the iKooks are ignorant of them and yet they form strong opinions.   
      
   Jolly Roger thinks he's an iKook because "we disagree" but that's yet   
   another trait of the iKook to completely misunderstand the obvious.   
      
   He's an iKook not because we disagree - but because he strongly believes in   
   things which he's completely ignorant of - for example, Jolly Roger   
   repeatedly claims Apple fully patches older releases - when Apple doesn't.   
      
   Sure. We disagree. But my disagreement is based on Apple's own words.   
   His belief system is based on absolutely no facts whatsoever that matter.   
      
   Apple says they do not fully patch older releases.   
   Jolly Roger says they do.   
   In fact, he's sure of it.   
      
   Simply because Apple fixed a bug or two in an older release.   
   That's full "proof" to Jolly Roger that Apple fully patches older releases!   
      
   No fact can or will sway Jolly Roger from his purely imaginary beliefs.   
      
    *How do you deal with people that far to the left of the 1st D-K quartile?*   
      
   Not only do the iKooks lack that cognitive ability, badgolferman, but they   
   form strong opinions that all science is "dubious" simply because they   
   a. are ignorant of it...   
   b. because they're uneducated...   
   c. as a result of their low IQ   
      
   It's why the iKooks can't put together that Apple's variant excuses for   
   removing basic functionality is because Apple wants to them to buy it back.   
      
   Instead of putting things together, as you just did (and as most normal   
   adults would do), they accept Apple's individual explanations (e.g., "it's   
   courageous") because it's much simpler for them to accept a direct excuse.   
      
   The whole point of this thread is to point out what iKooks really are.   
      
   My main point about the iKooks is simply that they form strong opinions   
   about things that they spend absolutely no energy actually understanding.   
      
   Alan Browne, for example, repeatedly claims there is no walled garden   
   simply because he's completely ignorant that he's logging into it.   
      
    *How do you deal with people that far to the left of the 1st D-K quartile?*   
      
   This is a classic Dunning-Kruger first quartile trait, where they are so   
   confident of their assessments that they don't realize how wrong they are.   
      
   It's what I'm trying to patiently explain to Hemidactylus, who deprecated   
   the Dunning-Kruger graphs, where I fit into those same graphs as do you.   
      
   The difference is that I _understand_ what Dunning-Kruger papers explained.   
      
   It's the same with the catenary where, by now, Alan Baker has probably   
   furiously googled enough to find that it's a well-taught well-discussed   
   term in racing (particularly in motorcycle racing, as you've surmised).   
      
   Yet, he's likely never heard of it nor, more importantly, since ignorance   
   can be cured, he doesn't understand that it's an extremely important fact.   
      
   Just as nospam can't stand that he was ignorant that iOS doesn't have any   
   app store apps that graphically show wi-fi signal strength over time,   
   they'll make a childish kindergarten excuse for why they lack knowledge.   
      
   In nospam's case, that childish excuse is he'll repeatedly claim that apps   
   exist - and yet - when asked to "name just one" - he's never once named it.   
      
    *How do you deal with people that far to the left of the 1st D-K quartile?*   
      
   It's the same with Hemidactylus claiming the D-K is a weapon when everyone   
   fits into the D-K graphs - yes - everyone - including you and including me.   
      
    *How do you deal with people that far to the left of the 1st D-K quartile?*   
      
   The iKooks don't even realize _why_ they're iKooks, badgolferman.   
      
   But they prove it whenever the only way they can deal with facts that   
   they're ignorant of, like Alan Browne did, is to call people an 'it'.   
      
   Do you know why Alan Browne calls people dealing with facts an 'it'?   
   I do.   
      
   HINT: If he negates the person, he feels he's negated all the facts too.   
   --   
   How do you deal with people that far to the left of the 1st D-K quartile?   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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