XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.apps   
   From: walterjones@invalid.nospam   
      
   *Hemidactylus*  wrote   
      
   > There is a controversy in psychology on what the alleged Dunning Kruger   
   > effect actually is and not only is Arlen avoiding that I doubt the   
   > originators intended for it to be weaponized as it has been. Sad state   
   > really.   
      
   Hi Hemidactylus,   
      
   I study the strange iKooks, who, let's be clear, constantly fabricate   
   imaginary functionality for iOS that simply does not exist (& never has).   
      
   However... perhaps you (and maybe even Chris) do have the functional   
   capacity to understand whom Apple aims its marketing campaigns at, and,   
   what those analysis I posted in the original post say about that.   
      
   Given I just read a sentient sentence moments ago from you on immunology,   
   I'm going to speak with you in this post as if you're _not_ an iKook. OK?   
      
   My point of contention with you deprecating the D-K effect wasn't that you   
   deprecated the D-K effect; it was that you deprecated it without   
   understanding it. That's a _big_ difference.   
      
   You know there's a well-known professor, John Mearsheimer, and another   
   just-as-well-known professor, Steven Kotkin, both of whom speak about the   
   origins of the current war in Ukraine, where I disagree with Mearsheimer   
   and I almost completely agree with Kotkin - but - I accept that both of   
   them are starting from the same data points - in that they understand the   
   Russian psyche and Russian history and the Russian mentality.   
      
   My point is that I can agree or disagree with someone, but I respect their   
   acumen, as they've shown that they understand the basics of the situation.   
      
   When you deprecated D-K and in the next sentences you told me they didn't   
   test English Grammar results, I instantly knew you lied about having read   
   the seminal papers (simply because they _did_ test students on that).   
      
   I knew you were lying, and yet, you were trying to claim you understood the   
   D-K effect, where you did not then (and still do not now) show any   
   comprehension that EVERYONE fits on the Dunning-Kruger scales - which is   
   why I had mentioned the iKooks are to the left of the first quartile.   
      
   Then you ridiculed Mount Stupid, as if I had claimed I came up with it,   
   when in fact, those graphs are clearly an extrapolation of the D-K data.   
      
   In my own posts about Mount Stupid, in fact, I also supplied the D-K   
   graphs, which (as you noted) look nothing directly like the Mount Stupid   
   ones - but the difference here is I understood what BOTH were trying to   
   convey.   
      
   You did not, and there is still no indication that you do understand them.   
      
   Remember always that the iKooks lie all the time (e.g., Jolly Roger claims   
   Apple fully patches all releases when Apple simply does not do that), so it   
   was clear to me you were lying when you claimed to have read the seminal   
   papers.   
      
   Hence, you can't possibly _dispute_ them since you never even read them.   
      
   Moving forward, I treat Usenet as water under the bridge. If you earn my   
   respect by showing you actually _understand_ what the D-K effect tries to   
   portray, then (and only then) is it possible for you to refute that effect.   
   --   
   The iKooks must, by their very nature, hang out with people who are not   
   well educated because their excuses are so easily destroyed with facts.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)