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   From: java@evij.com.invalid   
      
   On 2024-09-15 16:17, Alan Browne wrote:   
   >   
   > On 2024-09-14 12:30, Java Jive wrote:   
   >>   
   >> On 2024-09-14 16:26, Alan Browne wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> The European USB-C fiasco just creates more e-waste.   
   >>>   
   >>> Apple, in its own good time, would have brought USB-C to iPhone, etc.   
   >>> Indeed, the newest iPhone would likely have been the launch USB-C   
   >>> iPhone.  Instead the EU forced Apple to go a year early.   
   >>>   
   >>> All this "decision" does is create early e-waste of lightning   
   >>> connectors and some wall-warts.   
   >>>   
   >>> Government over regulating.  EU!   
   >>   
   >> BOLLOCKS!  The above is just yet another predictable example of Apple   
   >> propaganda & EU-bashing.  The simple truth is that nearly all the   
   >> other manufacturers had already adopted the USB-C standard while it   
   >> was still voluntary, but Apple had more or less refused point blank   
   >> [my caps to highlight the overwhelming majority]:   
      
   I note that you snipped the quote of the numbers of overwhelming   
   majority, how unsurprising given your posting record.   
      
   > Apple is a business and make business decisions.  Apple is one of the   
   > original companies that _defined_ USB-C.  But, they also jumped ahead of   
   > everyone with the Lightning connector quite a while before that - and   
   > therefore there was (is) a lot of Lightning based cables and accessories   
   > out there.   
      
   And, even worse, from memory there are at least two EU technical boards   
   giving advice to EU legislators over such matters, both of which Apple   
   contribute to, so you have to ask yourself why they didn't bring their   
   products into compliance sooner?  They knew that stronger legislation   
   would very likely follow the bringing in of the voluntary guidelines,   
   they presumably must know how long their products last, so they could   
   have worked out by what future model they would likely have to become   
   compliant, but apparently they didn't bother to think through, or just   
   didn't care, what all this would mean for their customers, who would   
   have to ditch working equipment through their negligence on this issue.   
   Why not?  Obviously I don't actually know, but it looks very much like   
   arrogance to me, but whatever the reason, any e-waste and inconvenience   
   caused to customers was caused by Apple, not the EU, who gave them more   
   than enough time to comply, as proven by the fact that nearly all other   
   manufacturers' products were compliant long before the requirement   
   became compulsory.   
      
   > From Apple and Apple's customers point of view, the adoption of USB-C   
   > just lessens the life of existing materiel.   
      
   As explained countless times in this thread, that is Apple's fault for   
   not complying to the guidelines in a timely manner.   
      
   > Various other Apple products had already transitioned (iPads,   
   > MacBooks...) so it was a matter of time before the iPhone would follow.   
   > Just not yet until the EU forced their hand - result: more e-waste - not   
   > less.   
      
   As above, Apple's fault, not the EU's   
      
   > And by the way, using 'bollocks' in upper case doesn't make your   
   > argument better.   
      
   But does emphasize the point that your argument was, indeed, bollocks,   
   and still is.   
      
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