From: jollyroger@pobox.com   
      
   On 2024-09-23, Ed Cryer  wrote:   
   > Jolly Roger wrote:   
   >> On 2024-09-13, Ed Cryer  wrote:   
   >>> Jolly Roger wrote:   
   >>>> On 2024-09-13, Ed Cryer  wrote:   
   >>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer  wrote:   
   >>>>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> I use iOS 16.7.10 Mail app with a Microsoft Hotmail account. MS   
   >>>>>>>>> insist on "modern authentication methods" and keep telling me that   
   >>>>>>>>> my account won't be accessible after September 16th with just user   
   >>>>>>>>> name and password. I have to get an app with "modern authentication   
   >>>>>>>>> methods"!  What the devil are those? And will Mail app have them?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> You could try following Microsoft's instructions:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>    
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> It's all a question of using OAuth2 authentication.  I hope iOS Mail   
   >>>>>>> will incorporate this.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Thunderbird under Windows does. I won't have to delete the account and   
   >>>>>>> reset it up there. I just change to OAuth2. A good guide for Apple to   
   >>>>>>> follow.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> You didn't scroll down far enough. There are instructions for Apple Mail   
   >>>>>> on that same page.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You didn't read my post properly.   
   >>>>> I don't have to delete the account with Thunderbird, but I do with Apple   
   >>>>> Mail, at least according to that website.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You're acting like deleting and recreating the account is a big hassle   
   >>>> when it isn't. Sure, it'd be nice to just toggle a switch, but doing it   
   >>>> the way Microsoft recommends isn't some horribly laborious task either.   
   >>>   
   >>> Not laborious, but seemingly excessive; especially compared with   
   >>> T.bird's far simpler method of switching to OAuth2.   
   >>> The latter seems user-friendly, the Apple way doesn't, given that the   
   >>> change is merely to OAuth2 authentication.   
   >>   
   >> I guess if it were me, I'd submit feedback about it.   
   >>   
   >>> Remember that iPads are owned by lots and lots of people who are far   
   >>> from computer-savvy. They'll have to note down all the account details,   
   >>> re-input them all carefully; and, if there are many like some of my   
   >>> clients, they'll stumble a few times.   
   >>   
   >> It would be interesting to know how many of them are still using   
   >> Hotmail.   
   >   
   > It's now the 23rd, and Mail still works fine although I've altered nothing.   
      
   Maybe you got lucky. Or maybe Microsoft extended the deadline. I don't   
   know or really care. I haven't looked at my old, crufty Hotmail account   
   in many years as it's mostly just a huge spam bucket.   
      
   > BTW, Skull-and-Crossbones, Hotmail has long been subsumed into MS   
   > Outlook, and there are myriads of email accounts under that banner.   
      
   Yes, I know. 🙂   
      
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