XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system   
   From: andys@nospam.com   
      
   pothead wrote on Sun, 24 Nov 2024 01:49:13 -0000 (UTC) :   
      
   >> I've used all the common consumer operating systems, and I agree that the   
   >> Linux and Windows and Android systems give the user choice & functionality.   
   >   
   > Same.   
      
   Good. As I own a half dozen iPhones & iPads and as many Androids, plus   
   Windows and Linux (generally set up as dual boot) and I've "owned" macs but   
   you do not want to hear me discuss macOS for two reasons, only one of which   
   is that I have nothing good to say about it - but the other is that I admit   
   I haven't touched a mac in about two or three years so they may have   
   changed a lot since I last wanted to throw it out the fifth-floor window.   
      
   >> Most of what you refer to as "OS wars" are really from the Apple trolls   
   >> spewing (brilliant) Apple propaganda such as "it just works" lies.   
   >   
   > Every OS has issues.   
   > There is no exception.   
      
   This is true. But there's a HUGE DIFFERENCE in the user base for each.   
      
   In general... Linux users know what it is that sits on their desk.   
   a. They're competent.   
   b. Particularly the Linux users who post to Linux Usenet newsgroups.   
      
   Windows users fall into two fundamental categories   
   a. Users who are competent (which is most who post to Usenet ngs).   
   b. But there are far more Windows users who are technically clueless.   
      
   Apple users are strange people because they buy based on herd mentality.   
   a. Almost zero Apple users are competent for that very reason   
   b. Certanily none of the Apple trolls who post to Usenet are competent   
   c. You can tell because they only spew baseless Apple propaganda   
      
   While Apple propaganda is much like Russian propaganda where only the   
   ignorant parrot it back - you'll find the Apple troll who posts to Usenet   
   is like the Russian troll who claims Nazi Banderites are why they're in   
   Ukraine.   
      
   My point is very clear that the Apple troll who posts to Usenet is not a   
   normal person - they're very strange herd animals who are technically   
   incompetent - but they're so Dunning Kruger Mount Stupid that they don't   
   even realize how incompetent they are because they KNOW all the Apple   
   propaganda - so they spit it out.   
      
   Hence... the "OS Wars" someone spoke of occur because these Apple trolls   
   are so technically ignorant they don't even know that Apple only fully   
   supports a single release - and that Apple has NEVER fully supported more   
   than a single release.   
      
   They don't know Apple iPhones have the smallest batteries in the industry   
   such that the EU told Apple that next year Apple can no longer sell an   
   iPhone in the EU that doesn't meet modern battery lifetime specifications.   
      
   Which almost all of Apple's current iPhones do NOT meet, by the way.   
      
   These Apple users are so clueless that they parrot Apple propaganda that   
   the iPhone is "safer" and yet they're clueless that no phone has more   
   zero-day holes than the iPhone, nor more active exploits than the iPhone.   
      
   All of this comes as a surprise to the Apple trolls who post to Usenet   
   simply because they are all completely incompetent technically.   
      
   That's what separates the Apple posters from the normal adults on this ng.   
      
   >> Try to get a system firewall to "just work" on an iOS device. It just   
   >> doesn't work. Same with Wi-Fi & cellular debugging tools. They don't work.   
   >   
   > The walled garden.   
   > Do it as Apple want or go away.   
      
   It's even worse than that since most people don't realize that the iDevice   
   is a "dumb terminal" since all of the nice things the Apple lovers love   
   about the walled garden happen on Cupertino mainframe servers.   
      
   Without logging into the mainframe, the Apple dumb terminal devices can't   
   do anything (they can't even message the way they like or install apps).   
      
   No other common consumer operating system requires you to log into their OS   
   vendor's mainframes every moment of your life just to use the device.   
      
   Just Apple.   
      
   >> Try to plug in your wired headphones to the expensive Apple gear.   
   >> Again, it stands no chance of working.   
   >   
   > Apple keeps redefining connectivity to stay one step ahead of the   
   > competition.   
   > It's getting insane.   
      
   Apple *removed* the 3.5mm jack to limit the users' choice which in the end   
   makes lots of money for Apple because now the users have to figure out how   
   to buy that lost functionality back (often using Apple products to do it).   
      
   Apple's business stratey has always been to remove functionality so that   
   you're restricted in your choices in how you have to buy it back.   
      
   Witness Apple never putting in the portable memory slot where if you needed   
   an extra 128GB of memory, you have to buy it back somehow - but you can't   
   just pop in a cheap $25 128GB expansion card because Apple negates the   
   cheap choice. Only the expensive choices remain - which is Apple's   
   strategy.   
      
   Note how much money Apple made selling wireless chargers just by removing   
   the PD charger from the box - telling people it's "green" for them to have   
   to buy a wireless or wired) PD charger from Apple (or Amazon) instead of   
   getting it from the box like every other company did until Apple removed   
   that functionality from the box.   
      
   Apple removes functionality so that you have to buy it back, preferably   
   from Apple (where they'll give you all the advice you need to do that).   
      
   >> Interestingly, since I test things as a hobby, try NOT logging into your   
   >> Apple gear while using it every day - and two years later - like clockwork   
   >> Apple will unilaterally *brick* your iOS device - where you *must* waltz   
   >> into an Apple store to shows your government issue ID just to unlock it.   
   >>  Apple requires frequent login   
   >>  Some things still work   
   >>  But the walled garden stops   
   >   
   > I have not seen this one on my watch and iPhone but I'll take your word for   
   it.   
      
   Oh, I've tested it. For years. I have plenty of iOS devices in front of me,   
   as I'm running the test on a new iPad as we speak. Like clockwork, after   
   two years of setting up an Apple ID and NOT logging in again - Apple will   
   unilaterally brick your device until you physically go into an Apple store   
   and provide your government issue ID and prove it's you.   
      
   How's that for Apple's "privacy" propaganda?   
      
   Speaking of Apple's privacy propaganda, are you aware that it is impossible   
   (as of February 2023) to create a new Apple ID without setting up 2FV with   
   Apple and that this 2FV is forever. Yup. Forever. Only Apple forces that.   
      
   Nobody else takes your privacy like Apple does - but notice that the   
   (brilliant) Apple propaganda never mentions that this is a fact.   
      
      
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