XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy   
   From: thomas.e.elam@gmail.com   
      
   On 6/5/2025 11:14 PM, Marion wrote:   
   > There is no common consumer device _less_ private than iOS!   
   > Or is there?   
   >   
   > That is the question....   
   >   
   > This deserves its own thread because Apple owners are generally completely   
   > ignorant of how Apple devices operate as dumb terminals, simply becasue   
   > Apple owners are, by and large, herd animals who never use their brains.   
   >   
   > Given Apple's (brilliant) marketing advertises otherwise, Apple owners are   
   > clueless that there is no common consumer operating system _less_ private   
   > than an iOS device is.   
   >   
   > One of the reasons the privacy of every other common consumer operating   
   > system is NOT available with iOS, is the requirement for a mothership   
   > login.   
   >   
   > With that login, Apple keeps track of an *immense* amount of data about   
   > you. Meanwhile, Microsoft and Google can't do that, unless you're dumb   
   > enough to create a mothership login on Windows or Android.   
   >   
   > But we know computers so we're not that stupid.   
   > Well, Apple owners don't understand this.   
   >   
   > Which is why I bring it up to the fore.   
   >   
   > If you think an Apple device is NOT the least private common consumer   
   > device out there, please let us know why you think that's not the case?   
   >   
   > Note: You might think you could just not create an Apple account on that   
   > device, but most of your native software will not be updated over time; so   
   > that's not even a realistic option (compared to not creating a mothership   
   > account on Windows or Android - which has no negative implications).   
   >   
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   >   
   > On Thu, 05 Jun 2025 19:17:33 -0400, Joel wrote :   
   >   
   >   
   >>> Lots of people don't want to use either one of those.   
   >>   
   >> Yeah, sure, they want their video games, commercial apps, it's   
   >> pathetic.  They know nothing like we know of computers.   
   >   
   > I turned off everything I could when I set up Windows 10 long ago.   
   > Anytime something shows up, I kill it as soon as I figure what it is.   
   > I pity people who don't know how computers work who don't do that.   
   >   
   > Take Android users, for example.   
   > Certainly I don't have a Google Account set up on that phone.   
   > Even though, if I wanted to, I could use Google products.   
   > a. I can get email - I just have to use FairEmail (or equivalent)   
   > b. I can navigate - I just have to NOT log into Google Maps   
   > c. I can subscribe to YouTube channels - I just use NewPipe instead   
   > d. I can download apps off the Google repo - I just don't use Google Play   
   > e. I can do calendaring - I just use Etar instead of Google's calendar   
   > f. I can do messaging - I just use PulseSMS instead of Google messenger   
   > etc.   
   >   
   > It's much harder with my iOS devices since Apple hates you having privacy.   
   > The iOS device is by far the least private device that consumers own.   
   >   
   > What's super interesting is Apple owners actually think otherwise?   
   > Why?   
   >   
   > Because Apple told Apple owners that the iOS device is private.   
   > Even though there is no common consumer device _less_ private than iOS!   
   >   
   > Like I said, I pity people who don't know what we know about computers.   
   >   
      
      
   Guess what? In the near future Google will require 2FA to logon. For   
   most people that means supplying a phone number. Many financial   
   institutions and other sites including social networking already require   
   2FA. Cell phones are really handy for getting text messages.   
      
   You go to a LOT of trouble to avoid the convenience of a Google account.   
   Most people don't seem to care that much.   
      
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