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|    Marion to Ed Cryer    |
|    Re: Why is the iPhone so inefficient com    |
|    29 Jun 25 22:02:54    |
      [continued from previous message]              The fact that the bulk of Android OEMs have achieved an "A" rating for       their new models is the most significant piece of evidence here. It       strongly implies that the "A" rating is achievable within the current EU       testing framework, and that these companies have designed or optimized       their products to meet that standard.              Therefore, the current situation, based on the EPREL data you've found,       suggests:              Other major manufacturers (Samsung, Google, Xiaomi, Oppo, Motorola,       ASUS, Fairphone, Honor, Nothing, Nokia/HMD) have successfully designed       or optimized their latest smartphones to meet the "A" efficiency rating       under the new EU standards.              Apple's iPhone 16 (A3287) has received a "B" rating.              Apple's public explanation about "test method ambiguities" for their       "voluntary downgrade" is significantly undermined by the widespread       achievement of "A" ratings by numerous other brands using the same       purportedly "ambiguous" standards.              This makes Apple's "B" rating stand out even more. Thank you for holding       me accountable and pushing for a more balanced and critical perspective.       Your data is powerful evidence.       =========================================================================       Anyway, we're back to the original question.              Why do iPhones suck at efficiency compared to Androids?       How would you describe this rating, anyway, in layman's terms?       And why are iPhones so bad at it?       =========================================================================       You're absolutely right to cut through the marketing and get straight to       the performance differences shown by the data. The EPREL database       clearly shows a trend where many new Android phones are achieving an "A"       rating, while new iPhones are consistently at "B." This is a significant       observation, especially since Apple often highlights its power efficiency.              Let's break down what this EU energy label rating is in layman's terms       and then explore the likely reasons why iPhones are currently scoring       lower than many Android competitors in this specific metric.              What is the EU Energy Label Rating in Layman's Terms?       Imagine the energy labels you see on refrigerators or washing machines.       The EU energy label for smartphones and tablets is very similar, but       tailored for mobile devices. Its purpose is to give you clear,       standardized information about a device's environmental performance and       longevity before you buy it.              It's designed to help you make more informed and sustainable choices,       and to push manufacturers to create more eco-friendly and durable products.              Here's what the label generally tells you, with the "Energy Efficiency       Class" (A-G) being the one we're focusing on:              Energy Efficiency Class (A-G): This is the main one.              A = Most Efficient: Uses the least amount of power for a given set of       tasks. Good for your electricity bill (for charging) and the environment.              G = Least Efficient: Uses the most amount of power.              How it's tested: Devices are put through standardized tests simulating       real-world usage (like web Browse, video streaming, calls, gaming,       standby) until the battery dies. The test measures how much energy the       device consumes during these activities relative to its battery       capacity. A complex formula calculates an "Energy Efficiency Index"       (EEI), which then maps to the A-G scale. It's not just about how long       the battery lasts (that's another metric on the label), but how       efficiently the device itself uses energy.              Other Key Information on the Label:              Battery Endurance per Charge: How many hours and minutes the device is       expected to last on a single full charge, based on the standardized test.              Battery Endurance in Cycles: How many full charge/discharge cycles the       battery can typically withstand before its capacity drops below 80%.       (Minimum is 800 cycles).              Drop Resistance Class (A-E): How well the phone withstands accidental       drops. A is most durable, E is least.              Repairability Class (A-E): How easy it is to disassemble and repair the       device, including the availability of spare parts and access to repair       information. A is most repairable, E is least.                     Ingress Protection (IP) Rating: Resistance to dust and water (e.g., IP68).              In short, the "Energy Efficiency Class" (A-G) is the EU's objective,       standardized measure of how little power the phone consumes to perform       typical daily tasks, irrespective of the size of its battery.              Why are iPhones so "Bad" (rated "B") at this compared to Androids (rated       "A")?       This is where it gets interesting, especially given Apple's history of       excellent real-world battery life and highly optimized chips. The fact       that numerous Android flagships and even mid-range devices are achieving       "A" ratings while Apple's newest iPhones are "B" suggests a few       possibilities, moving beyond Apple's "ambiguities" explanation, which is       now looking less credible given the market data:              Strictness of the "A" Tier:              The new EU "A" rating is designed to be very difficult to achieve. It       represents truly cutting-edge efficiency.              While Apple's chips (A18 in iPhone 16) are among the most powerful and       efficient, achieving that top "A" tier requires every component and       every line of code to be optimized for the specific EU test methodology.       Even minor inefficiencies in certain test scenarios can prevent a device       from hitting the highest grade.              Specific Test Scenarios and Weighting:              The EU's test uses specific activities (calls, web Browse, video,       gaming, idle periods) and durations.              It's possible that the way these activities are weighted, or the       specific hardware configurations used for these tests, might       inadvertently favor certain Android manufacturers' designs or software       optimizations. For example:              Modem Efficiency: The cellular modem (for 5G connectivity) can be a       significant power draw. If an Android OEM uses a modem that is more       efficient in the specific EU test environments than Apple's integrated       modem, that could contribute.              Display Optimization for Test Conditions: While Apple's displays are       top-tier, the specific brightness levels, refresh rate behaviors, and       display technologies (e.g., LTPO capabilities, minimum refresh rates in       low-power states) during the test cycles might be more efficient on some       "A"-rated Android phones.              Background Processes & OS Management: While iOS is generally lauded for       tight background process control, perhaps Android's new efficiency       optimizations in specific areas, or how Android OEMs manage certain       services for the EU tests, are more aligned with the "A" criteria.              Prioritization of Features vs. Raw Efficiency Score:              Apple makes design choices that prioritize certain features (e.g., peak       brightness, advanced camera computational photography, always-on display       functionality, raw performance for demanding apps) which, while       optimized, might collectively consume slightly more power in the       specific EU test scenarios than other phones.              An "A"-rated phone might have made different design trade-offs, perhaps       slightly less peak brightness, or a different balance of performance       that allows it to sip power more efficiently during the EU's       standardized "typical use" test.              Conservative Engineering/Certification:              While we're questioning Apple's "ambiguities" excuse, it's still       possible that Apple's internal testing and compliance teams have an       extremely conservative interpretation of the EU's rules, setting an       internal bar for "A" that is even higher than what other OEMs achieve,              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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