XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy   
   From: marion@facts.com   
      
   On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 22:02:10 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :   
      
      
   >> Apple MARKETING claims an amorphous "efficiency" in their ads which turns   
   >> out to be a lie but we all know that. The question in this thread is why.   
   >>   
   >> Why are iPhones so inefficient when compared to most major Android brands?   
   >>   
   >   
   > What do they mean by 'efficiency'?   
      
   Efficiency is well described.   
   As are the tests for efficiency.   
      
   See the addendum below for the EU rules on efficiency testing for example.   
   Apple agreed to those rules YEARS ago.   
   Apple was part of the committee that established them.   
   And Apple used the same testing agencies everyone else used.   
      
   Yet, only Apple phones dismally failed in efficiency.   
   That is not under debate.   
      
   What's debatable, is WHY are Apple iPhones so inefficient?   
   Especially since Apple touts an excellent efficiency.   
      
   Huh?   
   How could it be that Apple's efficiency can't be found by anyone?   
   Except internal (secretly only) to Apple?   
      
   Hmmm.... sounds odd, right?   
      
   What do folks think of this conversation today with Gemini about Apple.   
   It's all about facts and how to separate facts from Apple propaganda.   
      
   It turns out Apple lied all these years about being more efficient.   
   I'm shocked. Shocked I say.   
      
   Apple lied?   
      
   NOTE: To all the morons who claim AI is always wrong, note that we're   
   discussing well-published facts (that the Apple trolls never heard of).   
      
   Everyone except the Apple trolls is well aware of these public facts.   
   Only the Apple trolls ask us to cite what is EVERYWHERE in the news.   
      
   What's really happening is the Apple trolls hate what Apple truly is.   
   The main factual question to remove in this thread is not if but why.   
      
      *Why is the iPhone so inefficient compared to Android?*   
       A: ?   
      
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   For years, Apple has been touting an iPhone "efficiency" that nobody could   
   reproduce but Apple marketing.  hmmm... are you suspicious yet?   
      
   I don't think the Apple effiency exists. I think it's a marketing trick.   
   A trick for people who don't have the ability to discern facts from   
   fiction.   
      
   But the EU recently tested that trick.   
   a. For years, Apple has been on the standards committee   
   b. For years, Apple knew what the report would entail   
   c. Apple uses the same independent test agency all the OEMs used   
      
   Fact is, the iPhone 16 received a dismal B score on the phone efficiency.   
   Meanwhile while almost every Android maker received an A in efficiency.   
      
   Don't believe me?   
   1. Go to the EPREL database:    
   2. Select the product category: "Smartphones and tablets"   
         
   3. First search by brand, e.g., Google, Apple, Samsung, Motorola, etc.   
   4. Refine by "Model identifier" using the European model numbers above   
      (e.g., Google Pixel GUR25, Samsung S-25 SM-S937B/DS, iPhone 16, etc.)   
   5. That will give you the new June 20th 2025 filings phone rating.   
      
   Examples of random searches I just made moments ago are (alphabetically):   
    The Apple iPhone 16 rating is a dismal "B" EEC   
    The ASUS ASUSAI2501H rating is "A" EEC   
    The Fairphone (Gen.6) FP6 rating is "A" EEC   
    The Google GUR25 (Pixel) rating is "A" EEC   
    The Honor DNP-NX9 rating is "A" EEC   
    The Motorola g86 5G (XT2527-2) rating is "A" EEC   
    The Nokia (HMD) TA-1600 rating is "A" EEC   
    The Nothing cmf A001 rating is "A" EEC   
    The Oppo CPH2695 rating is "A" EEC   
    The Samsung SM-S937B/DS S25 rating is "A" EEC   
    The Xiaomi 24129PN74G rating is "A" EEC   
      
   What does that test specifically?   
   Because there's something (but what?) that is drastically wrong with   
   iPhones.   
   =============================================================================   
   You're absolutely right to hone in on the specifics and the EPREL database!   
      
   This level of detail is crucial for understanding the nuances of the EU's   
   new regulations.   
      
   The EU's new energy label for smartphones and tablets, effective June 20,   
   2025, goes beyond just "energy efficiency" in the traditional sense (like   
   power consumption while idle). It's a comprehensive label that encompasses   
   several key performance indicators.   
      
   Here's a breakdown of what the test specifically assesses for the Energy   
   Efficiency Class (A-G), and why an iPhone might receive a 'B' while many   
   Androids get an 'A':   
      
   The Energy Efficiency Class (EEI - Energy Efficiency Index) on the EPREL   
   label is primarily based on the battery endurance per charge cycle. This is   
   measured using a standardized "Day of Use Simulation" test.   
      
   What the Energy Efficiency Test (Day of Use Simulation) Entails:   
      
   The testing methodology is designed to mimic real-world smartphone usage. A   
   company called SmartViser played a key role in developing this testing   
   methodology and their "viSer EEI" application is used for these tests. The   
   process typically involves:   
      
   Standardized Activities Loop: The device is put through a continuous loop   
   of various activities that simulate a typical user's day, from 100% battery   
   charge down to power off. For smartphones, this loop includes:   
      
   Phone call (4 min)   
   Idle (30 min)   
   Web Browse (9 min)   
   Idle (30 min)   
   Video streaming (4 min)   
   Gaming (1 min)   
   Idle (30 min)   
   Data transfer: HTTP upload and download (8 min)   
   Idle (30 min)   
   Video playback (4 min)   
      
   Controlled Environment: The testing is conducted in a controlled   
   environment using a network simulator to ensure repeatability and   
   reliability. Factors like ventilation and temperature are specified to   
   maintain consistent conditions.   
      
   Measurement and Calculation: The viSer EEI application measures the energy   
   consumption during these activities and calculates the Energy Efficiency   
   Index (EEI). This index is then translated into the A-G energy efficiency   
   class.   
      
   Why the iPhone Might Get a 'B' While Androids Get an 'A':   
      
   This is the fascinating part, and Apple has actually provided some insight   
   into their rationale:   
      
   Ambiguity in Testing Methodologies (Apple's Stance): Apple, in its   
   documentation, states that it voluntarily downgraded some of its scores,   
   including the Energy Efficiency Index, from an 'A' to a 'B' due to "key   
   ambiguities" and "variance" in the prescribed EU testing methods.   
      
   They argue that choices made by manufacturers and test labs when   
   interpreting the regulation can lead to different results.   
      
   Apple specifically mentioned that their own internal testing (which often   
   uses larger sample sizes and different methodologies) showed their iPhones   
   qualified for an 'A' grade. However, to minimize the probability that a   
   third-party tester interpreting the regulation differently would achieve a   
   lower grade, they opted for a 'B'.   
      
      
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