XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy   
   From: nuh-uh@nope.com   
      
   On 2025-07-12 11:40, Marion wrote:   
   > On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 10:32:12 -0400, WolfFan wrote :   
   >   
   >   
   >>> It has my real phone number, true. But not my real name, or real   
   >>> date of birth, or any other personal information.   
   >>   
   >> It's trivial to generate an AppleID which has nothing to do with   
   >> your personal info. I have different AppleIDs which I use   
   >> depending on what I want to do. This would include AppleIDs used   
   >> for business purposes.   
   >   
   > None of you ignorant uneducated Apple trolls knows anything about   
   > Apple.   
   >   
   > Only on Apple devices is not only privacy impossible, but you need   
   > to carry two different devices with you at all times to log into the   
   > Apple Account.   
      
   No. You don't.   
      
   >   
   > Since all you MAGA zealots are ignorant of everything you speak of,   
   > it used to be that you could generate an "Apple ID" without any   
   > useful information being supplied. Later, Apple enforced the address   
   > had to be real and match the zip code for the Apple ID, but it could   
   > be anyone's address and zip code.   
      
   This is false.   
      
   >   
   > But as of April of 2019, Apple started requiring that the zip code   
   > match the billing address of your credit or debit card, where your   
   > billing address could be bogus, but the zip code had to be valid for   
   > that address.   
      
   Since I don't have to provide a credit or debit card to create an Apple   
   Account, this is also false.   
      
   >   
   > At that time, 2FA was optional, although there was a lawsuit that   
   > Apple won where people who didn't opt out within the required grace   
   > period were stuck with 2FA forever.   
      
   Cite, please!   
      
   >   
   > By late 2023, Apple began requiring 2FA for nearly all newly created   
   > Apple IDs where there is no opt-out for newer devices. If your   
   > device runs iOS 11 or macOS High Sierra or later, 2FA is   
   > automatically enabled for new accounts and cannot be turned off once   
   > activated.   
      
   That is (I believe) true.   
      
   >   
   > Keep in mind that on June 11, 2024, Apple changed the terms of the   
   > "Apple ID" which they then termed the "Apple Account".   
      
   And?   
      
   >   
   > As of September 2024, Apple expanded 2FA availability to nearly   
   > every country and region, making the 2FA requirement a global   
   > standard.   
   >   
   > Bear in mind that of the possible methods for authentication, which   
   > Apple will require every time you log into the Apple Account (or   
   > change settings), the phone *must* be real and it cannot be a VOIP   
   > number.   
      
   Nope. This is all Apple says on the subject:   
      
   'Make sure you enter a phone number you can always access. It will be   
   used to verify your identity any time you sign in on a new device or web   
   browser. Messaging or data rates may apply.'   
      
      
      
   >   
   > The fact that Wolfan claims he used a VOIP number, if he did at all,   
   > would indicate he did this looooooong ago, as Apple will only accept   
   > real phones.   
      
   'Make sure you enter a phone number you can always access. It will be   
   used to verify your identity any time you sign in on a new device or web   
   browser. Messaging or data rates may apply.'   
      
   Nothing about what type of phone it is.   
      
   >   
   > Apple's policies are absurd that you need to carry with you at all   
   > times TWO devices, where even if you don't have a mobile phone with   
   > you at all times, Apple can send codes to other Apple devices signed   
   > in with your account.   
      
   'Make sure you enter a phone number you can always access. It will be   
   used to verify your identity any time you sign in on a new device or web   
   browser. Messaging or data rates may apply.'   
      
      
   >   
   > Only on Apple devices is not only privacy impossible, but you need   
   > to carry two different devices with you at all times to log into the   
   > Apple Account.   
   >   
   >> And, oh, ancient iPads still work fine around here. With their   
   >> apps. No, apps do not die on older iPads.   
   >   
   > None of you ignorant uneducated Apple trolls knows anything about   
   > Apple.   
   >   
   > If you don't have an Apple ID on the device, then you can update the   
   > OS. But you can't update the apps.   
      
   So have an AppleID   
      
   >   
   > If you update the OS version, at some point, one by one, the apps   
   > will start crashing (which we proved already for you Apple MAGA   
   > morons).   
   >   
   > Not one of you ignorant uneducated MAGA Apple trolls knows anything   
   > about how Apple works - particularly when you don't put an Apple   
   > Account on the device.   
      
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