XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy.anon-server   
   From: YourName@YourISP.com   
      
   On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 07:03:51 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:   
   > Your Name  wrote:   
   >> On 2025-10-09 21:25:37 +0000, badgolferman said:   
   >>   
   >>> Jörg Lorenz wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>> Not necessarily. Just drive around town for 20 minutes and see all   
   >>>>> the  middle aged women staring at their phones as they drive.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> How would you know what they are really doing? Can you see their   
   >>>> screens when you stalk them?   
   >>>   
   >>> I ride a motorcycle so I must be hyper aware of what drivers around me   
   >>> are doing.  Yes, I do look inside their cars and see their heads   
   >>> pointed down to their laps or phones being held out to the side while   
   >>> ignoring the road in front.  You can also tell when someone ahead of   
   >>> you is looking at their phone.  They cannot keep up with the traffic   
   >>> ahead of them and leave large gaps, they drive erratically and can't   
   >>> stay in their lane.  Sitting at an intersection waiting to make a left   
   >>> turn I can see drivers turn in front of me and immediately start   
   >>> looking at their phones again.  This is an epidemic and not   
   >>> constrained to just young people.   
   >>>   
   >>> What does it matter what they're looking at on their phones?  The fact   
   >>> is their attention is on something else than the road and they are   
   >>> placing others in danger.  Are you one of them too?   
   >>   
   >> It's been illegal to drive while using a cellphone here in New Zealand   
   >> for a good number of years now, and yet there are still numerous morons   
   >> doing it. The problem is that the fine if they get caught is pitifully   
   >> tiny. The law needs to be changed to simply destory the phone on the   
   >> spot when someone is caught using it while driving ... even then there   
   >> will still be morons who don't care less.   
   >   
   > In the UK, you get points on your licence and a fine.   
      
   In New Zealand there is a fine of a measly NZ$150 (UK£64 / US$86) and   
   20 demerit points.   
      
   In Australia (depending on which state) there is a fine is nearly ten   
   times more at NZ$1415 (UK£608 / US$820) and 5 demerit points.   
      
   In New Zealand if you get 100 points in any two year period, your   
   licence is suspended for three months. In Australia, it is 12 points in   
   a three year period. Demerit points are pretty useless since noboy   
   knows how many they've got unless they keep a tally or check (and what   
   law-breaking idiot is ever going to bother), plus some people will   
   still drive after they lose their licence anyway. A proper fine means   
   they'll usually notice the missing money pretty quickly, especially in   
   today's ever-incresing prices for everything.   
      
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