From: mariond@facts.com   
      
   Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >> But my only point about that is those same people can't logically complain   
   >> about the lack of privacy - where this thread is about location privacy.   
   >   
   > Notice that most people would not complain about "the company" having   
   > the data, but complain about others having access to that data.   
      
   Understood. Today I was filling out a medical form and I told the   
   receptionist that I didn't want to provide any data they didn't need.   
      
   She assured me the doctor keeps all my data perfectly safe & secure.   
      
   > We also complain about "the company" using the data in hidden ways, in   
   > ways different that what they said they do. Ie, when they are found out   
   > doing something that, for instance, is illegal in the EU.   
      
   Yup. Thank God for the EU and the UK forcing their laws on Apple & Google.   
   For some reason the USA is the wild west in terms of allowing both of them   
   to run roughshod over us. Both have broken the rules numerous times.   
      
   > Another complaint we have is that USA companies with servers in the EU,   
   > so that they claim that the data resides in the EU and never leaves the   
   > EU, nonetheless there is a law that allows the USA government to collect   
   > that data from any USA based company at servers outside of the USA.   
      
   Well, I don't doubt the five eyes vacuums up all the data that they can.   
      
   > Which is the reason that several countries are realizing this and   
   > migrating from Microsoft services to other EU based companies with no   
   > USA ties.   
   >   
   > (The USA has a tradition of forcing their laws extraterritorially)   
      
   Understood. It seems to be general accepted principle that if you want to   
   have a VPN be immune from server logs being subpoenaed, it needs to be on   
   an island somewhere not anywhere near the jurisdiction of the five eyes.   
      
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