From: robin_listas@es.invalid   
      
   On 2025-11-05 21:24, Frank Slootweg wrote:   
   > Carlos E.R.  wrote:   
   >> On 2025-11-05 08:52, Andy Burns wrote:   
   >>> micky wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> Jason H wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> After a recent loss at an airport, I've started putting Chipolo   
   >>>>> devices in my bags. The network is nothing like as good as   
   >>>>> Apple's, but it can warn if you're going out of range of your   
   >>>>> belongings. The network will likely work badly in Europe where   
   >>>>> there is little balance in the privacy argument.   
   >>   
   >> I have one tag, "Tile Pro (2022)". It works well in Europe, but it needs   
   >> that passerby's have the app.   
   >   
   >    What I do is a bit awkward, but has the best chance of locating your   
   > lost item. I use Apple AirTags and ask a trusted family member who has   
   > an iPhone to add my AirTags to their list of findable devices.   
      
   I don't know anybody with an iPhone.   
      
   >   
   >    iPhones do not need a seperate app and AFAIK their 'finding'   
   > capability is on by default, i.e. they have to opt-out to not use it.   
   > Because of this, Apple AirTags have a much higher chance of being   
   > detected/located than any of the compitition can (because, as you say,   
   > they depend on a app being present on the device doing the detection/   
   > location_reporting).   
   >   
   >    I tested this setup during our travels to/in Australia and for example   
   > the iPhone family memnber could locate our AirTags, which were inside   
   > our 4WD camper (small motorhome) on a campground with hardly anybody   
   > there and no-one close by. But even there, there apparently was at least   
   > one person with an iPhone which detected our AirTags and reported their   
   > location to our trusted family member. The reported location was   
   > accurate within a few metres.   
   >   
   > [...]   
   >   
   >> The best would be devices that work without installing anything in the   
   >> phones, with both Apple and Android phones. There was talk of this, but   
   >> I don't know if they exist yet.   
      
      
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   Cheers, Carlos.   
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