From: ithinkiam@gmail.com   
      
   On 09/11/2025 17:46, Marion wrote:   
   > Chris wrote:   
   >>> 1. University of Maryland researchers (Erik Rye and Dave Levin)   
   >>> demonstrated that Apple's API could be queried at scale to harvest hundreds   
   >>> of millions of BSSID-GPS pairs worldwide.   
   >>   
   >> And? This doesn't equate to "tracking". Again, you're full of shit.   
   >   
   > What's FACT Chris, is researchers showed it was easy for them to gather   
   > millions of BSSID:GPS pairs, which is millions of homes, which, by name,   
   > can be found by simple public address lookups. That's simply fact.   
      
   Right. So if it is easy then you should be able to track me. Go on then.   
      
   If you can't that means you don't know what you're talking about.   
      
   > If you have a hotspot on your phone, or if you MOVE your router to a new   
   > location, then you can easily be tracked from anywhere in the world.   
      
   Not true. A hotspot won't be tracked.   
      
   >   
   > If you have bluetooth devices in the database, and if they move around with   
   > you, they "might" be traceable, but the researchers, as far as I recall,   
   > didn't check that. They only checked Wi-Fi access points (as I recall).   
      
   Exactly. So at best all can be done is identify your location. Which is   
   already possible with your IP (if not on a VPN).   
      
   > Also, we have to consider the potential for "sensitive" belongings, such as   
   > XBoxes or smart TV's (or even alarm systems) which might have persistent   
   > MAC addresses or other identifiers that can be linked across locations.   
   >   
   > That's where the real privacy risk emerges... not just from knowing where   
   > someone lives, but from being able to correlate their movements, devices,   
   > and behaviors over time.   
   >   
   > Devices like smart TVs, gaming consoles, alarm systems, and even medical   
   > equipment may have   
   >   a. Persistent identifiers   
   >   b. Known manufacturer signatures   
   >   c. Usage patterns that reveal personal habits or vulnerabilities.   
      
   False. They will all route through your router and therefore invisible   
   to wider internet. Certainly there will be no information in these Apple   
   and Google databases. There is not additional risk. Nice try.   
      
   >>> a. Global harvesting is possible: The University of Maryland team showed   
   >>> Apple's API could be queried at scale to collect BSSID-GPS pairs worldwide.   
   >>   
   >> So what? Google maps is even more disclosive. About 10 years ago you could   
   >> see me in my garden laying a new lawn. Plus you could see what car we   
   >> drove.   
   >>   
   >> I bet you're scared of your own shadow as well.   
   >   
   > I find it interesting that your claim that the mere fact I am intelligent   
   > enough to understand what is being tracked, means "I'm scared of my   
   > shadow".   
   >   
   > Your equating of intelligence & knowledge with "fear" is rather telling.   
      
   No. I'm calling *you* a fear-monger. Very different.   
      
   An intelligent person would understand the minimal risk this poses and   
   not spend days on the internet trying to persuade others to be fearful.   
      
   >   
   >>> It's even worse for people who carry around a mobile router or hotspot.   
   >>   
   >> OH MY GOD THE WORLD IS GOING TO END.   
   >>   
   >> In other news, cat goes missing...   
   >   
   > Stop equating knowledge with fear.   
   > You act like you own the brain of a dog.   
      
   I do. It's sat on my desk in a jar.   
      
   > Stop it.   
   > The search for knowledge does not equate to being afraid of your shadow.   
      
   Correct. You live in fear of "them". That is your primary motivation.   
   Every post you make confirms that.   
      
   > You are nothing like me Chris.   
      
   Thank god.   
      
   > Stop thinking that I'm anything like you.   
      
   I know I'm not.   
      
   > I'm intelligent.   
      
   Debatable.   
      
   > I search for answers.   
      
   No. You search for links to support your dogma. A genuine search for   
   answers by an intelligent person would be open to discovering different   
   narratives. You never are.   
      
   You "furiously google" for days on end instead of testing the evidence   
   presented to you for five minutes.   
      
   > You ridicule knowledge.   
      
   I ridicule you.   
      
   > And equate knowledge to fear.   
      
   I simply reflect what you're peddling: FUD.   
      
   > Which is absurd.   
      
   Yes, indeed you are.   
      
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