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From: robin_listas@es.invalid On 2025-11-28 20:24, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-11-28 19:16, Jörg Lorenz wrote: >> On 28.11.25 13:22, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-11-28 12:22, Jörg Lorenz wrote: >>>> And I tell you once more: WA is not permitted to be used in the >>>> education sector, public institutions, military and law enforcement for >>>> good reasons. >>> >>> LOL. I know for a fat that the judiciary here is using it. >>> Politicians too. >> >> This is a bad lie. Can you deliver a proof, that anything official is >> sent by WA? Your post is just a unsubstantiated claim. Decisions are >> sent by registered letters. > > Read the reports about the top prosecutor case in Spain. It is public > knowledge, so I will not bother to send a precise link. Conversation with ChatGpt. If you do not trust it, make your own investigation. I asked in Spanish, then translated it with DeepL. Q: Was the attorney general using WhatsApp? It depends a little on what you mean by “using WhatsApp,” but yes—Álvaro García Ortiz (attorney general) acknowledged that he has the WhatsApp application and that he usually deletes his messages for “security reasons.” Here are the essentials: * Investigations show that on the day criminal proceedings were opened against him, his phone was wiped — there were no messages on WhatsApp prior to that date. * The judge has asked WhatsApp (and Google) for data linked to his accounts in an attempt to recover those deleted messages. * However, there is no public information confirming that those chats have been recovered or proving that they were used for the purposes of which he is accused. Translated with DeepL.com (free version) Q: No, it's just that I know someone who denies that judicial authorities use WhatsApp. It is perfectly possible to clarify this **without going into any specific cases**: ### ✔️ **Yes, many judicial authorities and public officials use WhatsApp on a personal level.** WhatsApp is a public application that is widely used in Spain. Prosecutors, judges, police officers, senior officials, etc. can use it **just like any other citizen** for their private communications. ### ✔️ **What they CANNOT do is use WhatsApp for official or sensitive communications.** That is the important difference: * For official work, they must use **secure, encrypted, and auditable channels**, such as: * Corporate email * Secure internal platforms of the judiciary * Case management systems * WhatsApp **is not a valid channel** for legal proceedings, official orders, documentation, etc. ### ✔️ So... do they use WhatsApp or not? * **On a personal level:** Yes, it's common. * **On a professional/operational level:** It should not be used for anything official. ### Why do some people believe that “they don't use it”? Because they confuse *using WhatsApp like anyone else* with *using it officially*. The law and security protocols prohibit the latter, but **do not prevent the former**. If you like, I can explain **which regulations govern this** or **why WhatsApp is not valid for judicial communications**. Translated with DeepL.com (free version) Q: However, they were looking for relevant information on the prosecutor's WhatsApp to incriminate him, so WhatsApp is being used for important information that is not strictly personal. Very good point—you are right that if someone were to investigate the WhatsApp messages of a prosecutor or other authority, that implies that, in fact, those messages would not be “only personal” but could—at least eventually—have criminal/judicial relevance. And I agree with you: that reinforces that WhatsApp *can* serve as a source of “important” evidence in a case, albeit with nuances. Here's what we know — and what complicates that use: ## ✅ Why WhatsApp can serve as evidence * More and more courts in Spain are admitting WhatsApp conversations as evidence in civil, labor, or criminal proceedings, provided that authenticity and integrity requirements are met. ([Rangel Abogados][1]) * It is not mandatory to provide a computer expert report (i.e., a technical report) for the messages to be admitted; in some cases, it is sufficient that there is no challenge, or that the other party accepts that the conversation took place. ([Segarra][2]) * What matters is being able to prove (or at least present solid evidence) that the conversation is real: who participated, dates, integrity of the content, that it has not been manipulated, etc. ([Criminal Lawyer][3]) ## ⚠️ Why it doesn't always work so easily * If only a “screenshot” (or screen capture) is presented, many courts reject it: it can be manipulated, falsified, or may not guarantee that it truly corresponds to an original chat. ([EL PA S English][4]) * When there is a challenge (i.e., the accused party says “those are not my messages” or “it may have been edited”), then more solid guarantees must be provided: a computer expert report, the original phones, or verified copies. ([Rangel Abogados][1]) * In addition, the evidence must be obtained legally: if privacy or the secrecy of communications has been violated, that evidence may be declared null and void. ([ala.org.es][5]) ## 🎯 Conclusion for your example (authorities / prosecutor under investigation) Yes — when the authorities investigate someone (such as a prosecutor or civil servant) and ask to review their WhatsApp, in such cases WhatsApp messages go from being “private” to being considered **sensitive/legally relevant information**. Such an investigation is lawful as long as it is conducted in accordance with the law, and the messages can provide evidence or proof, provided that their authenticity is guaranteed. 👉 In other words: **your argument is valid**. The fact that a party “uses WhatsApp” does not necessarily mean that it is an official channel, but **when investigating a possible crime**, that WhatsApp is no longer just “private communication” and can become **evidence**. If you want, we can review **recent case law in Spain** that has used WhatsApp in this way (deleted messages, recovered chats, as evidence). That way you can see **real cases**. Would you like some examples? [1]: https://www.rangelabogados.es/es/article/son-v%C3%A1lidas-las-co versaciones-de-whatsapp-en-un-procedimiento-judicial?utm_source=chatgpt.com “WhatsApp conversations are valid in legal proceedings | Rangel Abogados” [2]: https://www.sgrr.es/derecho-civil/captura-whatsapp-prueba-penal/ utm_source=chatgpt.com “Can WhatsApp screenshots be used as evidence? - Segarra” [3]: [continued in next message] --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05 * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2) |
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