From: someone@example.com   
      
   On 2 Dec 2025 19:35:36 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:   
   > AJL  wrote:   
   > > [quoted text muted]   
   > >  customers (their password required) who are in WiFi range and might want   
   to   
   > >  use it. When mine failed awhile back I used my neighbors hotspot until it   
   > >  was fixed (at no charge, part of the service). Great for us none-tech   
   > >  customers whom I suspect most are...   
   >   
   >   The modem/router may be *owned* by your ISP and the *modem* part is   
   > indeed likely to be operated and managed by your ISP. But the *router*   
   > part can not be 'operated' (managed?) by your ISP, at least not fully,   
   > otherwise they could mess up your part (your 'LAN'), change your   
   > password, access your LAN, etc.. *If* they could 'operate'/manage the   
   > router part, you could never be hold liable for what happens on your   
   > end/network, because it wouldn't be your network.   
      
   My ISP has the ability to reach into "my" router -- i.e. that portion   
   of the combined modem/router that they supply as part of their   
   service -- and make changes; they did it once in 2020 during a   
   telephone call when I was having a problem with router settings. It   
   would be a very bad business decision to change passwords or   
   otherwise mess with usability, but as far as I know they do have the   
   ability to do those things.   
      
   It may be different in Europe, where consumer protection laws are   
   still enforced.   
      
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   "The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by   
   those who don't have it." --George Bernard Shaw   
      
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