XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.internet.wireless   
   From: G6JPG@255soft.uk   
      
   On 2025/12/2 16:26:18, Marian wrote:   
   > Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >>> Disable remote administration to your router (duh) & use HTTPS for login.   
   >>   
   >> That removes the warranty. Seriously. My router is remotely managed by    
   >> my ISP. Not via plain ssh login, they have their own dedicated channel.   
   >    
   > Hi Carlos,   
   >    
   > Thanks for adding the missing information that the router may be managed by   
   > the ISP, which, of course, somewhat changes what you can and cannot do to   
   > effect better privacy/security.   
   >    
   > I'm actually surprised, Carlos, that the ISP manages "the router", where I   
   > would NOT be surprised if the ISP manages "the modem" (even as I'm well   
   > aware that router:modem combinations exist (which may be what you have).   
   >    
   > In my case, I don't have a modem since I get my Internet from a dozen miles   
   > away over the air via WISP, but my "rooftop transceiver" is managed by the   
   > WISP (although he gives me his password so that I can make changes).   
   >    
   > Most people in the USA don't have a transceiver like I do; they have a   
   > modem, and some people have a modem which is combined into a router.   
   >    
   > I am unfamiliar with that setup personally, since I've never owned a modem,   
   > but I've bought them for my kids when they moved into apartments, so I'm   
   > familiar with the concept that you seem to be speaking about.   
   >    
   > Thanks for adding the extra value so that everyone on the team benefits.   
      
   I don't know about the USA, but in the UK, a lot of users have _one_   
   whitish box, which connects to the 'phone line, and contains the MoDem,   
   router, hub, wifi, ... you name it, it's in that box. Common parlance -   
   including from the ISPs who usually supply the box - is to (mis)name   
   that box the "router".   
      
   They usually (since the ISP supplies them) have a version of the   
   manufacturer's software, tweaked to suit the ISP. I'm not _aware_ of any   
   that are remote-flashed by the ISPs, but it wouldn't surprise me.   
      
   I don't _think_ most ISP contracts say you _have_ to use their "router",   
   though there may be some that do; however, the majority of users _do_,   
   since it's generally supplied "free" by the ISP, and also if anything   
   goes wrong - or is _suspected_ of going wrong - the ISP's support desk   
   (which aren't great at the best of times) are likely to tell you you're   
   on your own if you're not using their "router".   
      
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