From: this@ddress.is.invalid   
      
   Andy Burns  wrote:   
   > Frank Slootweg wrote:   
   >   
   > > Andy Burns wrote:   
   > >   
   > >> In the UK (and I assume wider within Europe) many ISPs do remote   
   > >> provisioning using TR-069 protocol.   
   > >   
   > >    Do you know the extent of that "provisioning", i.e. what they can and   
   > > can not do?   
   >   
   > quite likely change all settings and do firmware updates, reboots   
      
     Also of the router part, i.e. router settings, passwords, IP settings,   
   etc.?   
      
     If so, how is the user's ('LAN') still his/hers and still secure? How   
   about the user being liable for any abuse/misuse from the ISP's side/   
   personel?   
      
   > >    Over time (some 20+ years), my modem/router devices have either been   
   > > installed by an on-site technician (probably two times) or by myself,   
   > > i.e. they ship a replacement modem/router (sometimes with things like   
   > > cables, adapters, outlets, etc.) and I install it (probably three or   
   > > more times).   
   >   
   > I generally start with the ISP's device, then migrate to my own device,   
   > but the I've stayed with same ISP since 2004   
      
     Over time, I have used two of my own routers. The first one was   
   needed, because the modem only had one hardwired connection. The second,   
   because the first was too slow (bps). After that, I've used the ISP's   
   built-in routers because they offered sufficient functionality. And yes,   
   also since about that time (March 2003 actually).   
      
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