From: ithinkiam@gmail.com   
      
   Frank Slootweg  wrote:   
   > Andy Burns  wrote:   
   >> Frank Slootweg wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> Andy Burns wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> In the UK (and I assume wider within Europe) many ISPs do remote   
   >>>> provisioning using TR-069 protocol.   
   >>>   
   >>> Do you know the extent of that "provisioning", i.e. what they can and   
   >>> can not do?   
   >>   
   >> quite likely change all settings and do firmware updates, reboots   
      
   They only have to access to WAN side settings or global things like   
   firmware updates or full resets.   
      
   >   Also of the router part, i.e. router settings, passwords, IP settings,   
   > etc.?   
   >   
   >   If so, how is the user's ('LAN') still his/hers and still secure? How   
   > about the user being liable for any abuse/misuse from the ISP's side/   
   > personel?   
      
   The LAN is still yours and separate.   
      
   >>> Over time (some 20+ years), my modem/router devices have either been   
   >>> installed by an on-site technician (probably two times) or by myself,   
   >>> i.e. they ship a replacement modem/router (sometimes with things like   
   >>> cables, adapters, outlets, etc.) and I install it (probably three or   
   >>> more times).   
   >>   
   >> I generally start with the ISP's device, then migrate to my own device,   
   >> but the I've stayed with same ISP since 2004   
   >   
   >   Over time, I have used two of my own routers. The first one was   
   > needed, because the modem only had one hardwired connection. The second,   
   > because the first was too slow (bps). After that, I've used the ISP's   
   > built-in routers because they offered sufficient functionality. And yes,   
   > also since about that time (March 2003 actually).   
   >   
      
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