From: V@nguard.LH   
      
   Stan Brown  wrote:   
      
   > On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 13:32:36 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:   
   >> I get a lot of those OTP or 2FA messages when trying to login.  I get a   
   >> notification, tap on it, takes me into the Messages app, and I see a   
   >> list of these type of messages, so I pick the code from the topmost   
   >> message.  Nope, that's an old message, and the new login code is in a   
   >> message that I have to scroll down to see.   
   >>   
   >> Is there an option to sort messages from new to old in top-down order   
   >> (without having to move to a different messages app)?   
   >   
   > I'm wondering why you don't delete each OTP or 2FA message after   
   > completing your login. They're one-use codes, right? So why keep them   
   > around and make things harder on yourself?   
      
   Because I'm focused on the website where I'm trying to login.  I try to   
   get logged in, get interrupted with the 2FA crap, have to keep the text   
   while I enter it to make sure I not only enter the code but verify what   
   I entered is what is in the text, complete the login, and then proceed   
   to use the website where I logged in.  After all, the objective was to   
   get logged in, not to keep cleaning up the separate texts.  The text is   
   no longer of importance, so I'm focusing on using the website.  When I'm   
   done at the website, or at a breakpoint, yeah, I'll delete the text, but   
   that is cleanup maintenance, and obviously not of critical importance.   
      
   Do you empty your wastebaskets every time you drop something into them?   
   No, once a week you collect them to dump into the waste cart to haul out   
   to the curb for weekly collection.  When making a meal, it is a priority   
   to you to dump the wastebasket into the trash cart for every item you   
   toss into the wastebasket?  However, should you toss the carton for meal   
   prep, but realize you need to read the instructions, you can reach into   
   the wastebasket to retrieve that carton sitting on top rather than   
   having to dig through all the other dross to get at the carton.   
      
   While not the net etiquette standard in Usenet, notice your replies in   
   e-mails go at the top of your e-mail, not at the bottom.  To the   
   recipient, the most important content in your reply is what you added,   
   and of lesser importance all the stuff you quoted.  For e-mail, order is   
   top-down from recent to older.   
      
   Perhaps you enjoy descending time order (oldest on top, newest on   
   bottom) for your messages.  I don't.  You might like chocolate ice cream   
   over vanilla, but I'm the opposite.  Seems a simple toggle to change   
   sort order of messages.  In e-mail clients, you merely click on the   
   column header to toggle the sort order.   
      
   You don't really argue against the user having a choice.  Instead you   
   divert by focusing on why I do not perform immediate cleanup.  Once I   
   use the code, I have far more important tasks at the time than cleaning   
   up old messages.   
      
   Some sites let me save a passkey to facilitate login instead of having   
   to grab a phone, or read e-mail.  Makes logging much faster and easier.   
   Passkeys are not yet universal, so I'm stuck with the 2FA crap using   
   insecure communication venues (e-mail or SMS) which do not have   
   guaranteed delivery.   
      
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