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   CrudeSausage to Chris Ahlstrom   
   Re: Windows running like a dog preferred   
   07 Jan 26 11:22:55   
   
   From: crude@sausa.ge   
      
   On 2026-01-07 11:13, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:   
   > DFS wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:   
   >   
   >> Douglas Jewell   
   >> Former Computer Technician (1994–2011) Sun   
   >>   
   >> Question   
   >> Why do computer manufacturers not deliver consumer computers installed   
   >> with open source Linux operating systems instead of the Microsoft   
   >> Windows operating system? Does Microsoft pay them to do so?   
   >>   
   >> Jewell's Answer   
   >>   
   >>    
   >   
   > Makes sense.   
   >   
   >> Now, these days there are notebooks sold with a customised Linux - we   
   >> call them Chromebooks. They benefit from the fact that there are better   
   >> online applications, than back in 2007, but they are still quite limited   
   >> compared to a Windows or Mac notebook.   
   >   
   > Not so sure about that. My two grandsons, and all their   
   > classmates, use Chromebooks heavily every day at school.   
   >   
   >> Sure Linux does work ok for *some* desktop uses. And in the server space   
   >> it is fantastic. But even now, almost 20 years after the failed eeePC   
   >> experiment, Linux on the desktop suffers most of the same shortcomings   
   >> it had then. The most critical of which is lack of application support.   
   >   
   > Heh heh. He means Microsoft application support.   
   >   
   >>    
   >>   
   >> When you sell application software for Windows, you know what the OS   
   >> will provide, and what libraries etc you are responsible for installing.   
   >   
   > :-D   
   >   
   >>    
   >>   
   >> There is one final factor that makes it unlikely for vendors to bundle   
   >> Linux, and it is related to the issue of so many distributions. Which   
   >> version should they put on? If they install Ubuntu the customer would   
   >> want Fedora. Install Fedora and the customer would want Mint, etc etc   
   >> etc. Linux users generally like to have things customised their way, so   
   >> they are probably going to reinstall anyway. Even if the PC shipped with   
   >> Windows, a Linux user can still install whatever form of Linux they want.   
   >>   
   >> So these factors combined is why it is rare to find computers pre   
   >> installed with Linux. Ultimately it comes down to one key thing - it is   
   >> not a selling point. Having Linux preinstalled isn’t a selling point for   
   >> Linux users, because they will want to install their own Linux, which is   
   >> the same amount of work to install over Windows. Windows or Mac users   
   >> won’t buy it because it doesn’t do what they want. It would be no   
   >> cheaper than a pre-installed machine, because the slight cost saving by   
   >> avoiding a Windows licence will be more than offset by increased costs   
   >> in assembly (by having a different software clone process), maintaining   
   >> additional inventory, and in after-sales product support.   
   >   
   > This all is no-shit-sherlock material. People are fed Windows,   
   > some jump to Macs, some schools and businesses find Chromebooks   
   > (Chrome OS) is a Linux derivative, and some people are savvy   
   > enough to deal with new type of software.   
   >   
   >> MS is doomed   
   >   
   > You sound like a broken record.   
   > You sound like a broken record.   
   >   
   >      MS is doomed   
   >          MS is doomed   
   >              MS is doomed   
   >                  MS is doomed   
   >                      MS is doomed   
   >                          MS is doomed   
   >                              MS is doomed   
   >                                  MS is doomed   
   >   
   > AI Overview   
   >   
   >      Linux has a small but growing share in the desktop OS   
   >      market (around 4-6%), dominating in servers (over 40%),   
   >      supercomputers (100%), and embedded systems, with significant   
   >      developer adoption (around 28% for Ubuntu), showing strong   
   >      momentum in recent years, particularly in the U.S. (crossing   
   >      5% in 2025) and India (over 16%).   
      
   I'll say this much: since installing Pop_OS! 24.04, I haven't once   
   suffered an fTPM stutter whereas I could get them two or three times a   
   day with Windows.   
      
   --   
   CrudeSausage   
   John 14:6   
   Pop_OS!   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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