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   RonB to All   
   (OT) Trump's Venezuelan horse crap (1/3)   
   09 Jan 26 08:27:24   
   
   From: ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com   
      
   From a Catholic point of view this is *not* a "just war." (Long.)   
      
      crisismagazine.com   
      Unjust War Theory: When Law Enforcement Becomes Moral Insanity   
      Mike Parrott   
      18–23 minutes   
      
      Governments really dislike competition. And they dislike moral limits   
      even more.   
      
      Just War Theory exists because states, left to their own devices, will   
      always find reasons to justify force. The theory does not ask whether a   
      target is good or evil. It asks whether the use of violence itself is   
      morally licit. That distinction is fatal to the United States action   
      against Nicolás Maduro.   
      
      Maduro is no saint. He governs an authoritarian regime accused by   
      international observers of corruption, repression, and criminal activity.   
      None of that is disputed here. Just War Theory does not require moral   
      sympathy for the accused. It entails restraint by the accuser.   
      
      Orthodox. Faithful. Free.   
      
      By the classical standards articulated by St. Augustine of Hippo and   
      systematized by St. Thomas Aquinas, the United States action fails.   
      
      Not marginally. Categorically.   
      
      This is not a close call. It is a total collapse of moral reasoning so   
      complete that the only way to defend it is to deny that Just War Theory   
      applies at all.   
      
      The Category Error   
      
      The United States treated criminal accusation as a warrant for war.   
      
      This is the foundational error from which every other contradiction   
      flows. Just War Theory exists precisely to prevent this move. War is   
      permitted only to repel aggression or to defend innocent life. It is   
      never permitted as a tool of international policing. Indictments are not   
      just causes. Arrests are not military objectives. Law enforcement does   
      not become moral simply because it is carried out by a superpower.   
      
      The state insists that this was not war but law enforcement. Yet if the   
      act has the scale, means, and consequences of war, calling it something   
      else does not change its moral object. Classical Just War thought does   
      not allow semantic laundering. If force is used in a manner functionally   
      indistinguishable from war, it is morally judged as war.   
      
      Once this distinction collapses, no foreign leader is safe, and no limit   
      on violence remains principled. The moral fire wall between order and   
      chaos is gone. Dmitry Medvedev, a key Kremlin figure, has already   
      threatened to capture Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, repeating   
      Moscow’s assertion that his legitimacy is disputed under wartime   
      conditions and citing Maduro as precedent.   
      
      Classical Just War doctrine requires public declaration not as a   
      procedural technicality but as a moral discipline. War is a grave act   
      that must be acknowledged as such. Sneaking it through the back door   
      under euphemisms is itself evidence of moral disorder.   
      
      If the action was just, it should have been declared as such. If it could   
      not be declared, that alone signals awareness of its injustice.   
      
      Calling war “law enforcement” is not prudence. It is clever evasion.   
      Calling a preborn human being a “fetus” does not change the nature of   
   the   
      object.   
      
      The Fentanyl Narrative Collapse   
      
      The public justification for U.S. action shifted rapidly.   
      
      Initial messaging framed the operation as necessary to combat deadly   
      fentanyl flows. This claim does not survive contact with publicly   
      available data. U.S. law enforcement agencies consistently identify   
      Mexico, China, and precursor chemical supply chains as the dominant   
      sources of fentanyl entering the United States. Venezuela does not rank   
      among the primary exporters. Not remotely. Several European countries,   
      including Belgium, Germany, and the Netherlands, rank higher.   
      
      This discrepancy became unmistakable when J.D. Vance publicly pivoted the   
      justification, stating that fentanyl “is not the only drug in the world”   
      and suggesting a broader narcotics rationale.   
      
      This was not clarification. It was an admission that the original _casus   
      belli_ was inadequate.   
      
      Just War Theory requires a clear, grave, and imminent threat. Narrative   
      drift (more accurately, narrative collapse) is evidence that such a   
      threat was never established. Borrowing the language of emergency after   
      the fact does not create moral legitimacy.   
      
      The administration has gestured toward self-defense language, borrowing   
      concepts from international law that mirror Just War reasoning. This only   
      deepens the problem.   
      
      Self-defense presupposes an armed attack or an imminent threat of one. No   
      such attack occurred. No such threat was demonstrated. Conflating   
      long-standing criminal allegations with immediate danger is not a   
      mistake. It is a deliberate expansion of moral license. If this qualifies   
      as self-defense, then every nation is permanently at war with every other   
      nation.   
      
      Legitimate Authority and Jurisdictional Overreach   
      
      The United States asserts domestic criminal jurisdiction over a sitting   
      foreign head of state. This is not international adjudication. It is not   
      extradition. It is not multilateral authorization through treaty or   
      tribunal. It is unilateral extraterritorial enforcement backed by force.   
      
      Even if an indictment exists, and indictments are allegations rather than   
      convictions, Just War Theory does not recognize domestic courts as   
      competent authorities for initiating violence against sovereign states.   
      Aquinas is explicit that legitimate authority must be public, ordered   
      toward peace, and constrained by justice. Jurisdictional overreach   
      corrodes all three.   
      
      The arraignment itself reveals the moral sleight of hand. A man seized   
      through overwhelming force is then placed before a judge as if the   
      preceding violence were irrelevant. Due process is invoked only after the   
      act that obliterated it.   
      
      This is not rule of law. It is the aesthetic of law applied after power   
      has already spoken. If kidnapping followed by courtroom ritual counts as   
      justice, then justice is nothing more than the victor’s paperwork.   
      
      Statements by U.S. officials complicate any claim of right intention.   
      President Donald Trump publicly suggested that the United States would   
      effectively run Venezuela until a safe and proper transition could be   
      arranged. In response, Venezuela’s Vice President Delcy Rodríguez was   
      sworn in as interim president by the Venezuelan Supreme Court and   
      immediately demanded Maduro’s release.   
      
      This sequence matters. Just War Theory forbids ulterior motives. When   
      force becomes entangled with regime transition language, nation   
      
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