From: bowman@montana.com   
      
   On 28 Jan 2026 23:52:15 GMT, CrudeSausage wrote:   
      
   > Hence, what I was saying about Ubuntu being the catalyst. I don't know   
   > why Mint needed to be created in 2011, but I imagine it was because the   
   > community was offended by Mir or Unity. In Mir's case, Canonical was   
   > actually trying to fix a problem, so I'm a little surprised that the   
   > community were against it. Similarly, there was nothing wrong with   
   > Unity. If people didn't want to use it, they could go ahead and install   
   > a different desktop environment.   
      
      
   Mint was created in 2006 and was a fork of Kubuntu using KDE. It switched   
   to GNOME2 and was in lock step with Ubuntu. I don't know how it   
   differentiated itself.  In 2010 LMDE was released but that is still a   
   minority product and is seen as a way out if the LM maintainers get really   
   pissed at Ubuntu.   
      
   2011 was the release of GNOME3, disliked by many and the start of the   
   Cinnamon project. The switch in the leaderboard might well have been   
   because of Unity although Cinnamon wasn't ready for prime time in 2011.   
   I'm not sure it is in 2025 if running under Wayland is a requirement. I   
   logged into the 'experimental' Cinnamon/Wayland in 22.3 and it lasted   
   about 10 minutes.   
      
   GNOME2 lives on in MATE that also goes back to 2011. Fickle public, MATE   
   is a little too traditional; they want some of GNOME3 but not all of it.   
   Of course Xfce goes back to the late '90s and is really old school.   
      
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