From: crude@sausa.ge   
      
   On 29 Jan 2026 03:01:46 GMT, rbowman wrote:   
      
   > On 28 Jan 2026 23:52:15 GMT, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >   
   >> Hence, what I was saying about Ubuntu being the catalyst. I don't know   
   >> why Mint needed to be created in 2011, but I imagine it was because the   
   >> community was offended by Mir or Unity. In Mir's case, Canonical was   
   >> actually trying to fix a problem, so I'm a little surprised that the   
   >> community were against it. Similarly, there was nothing wrong with   
   >> Unity. If people didn't want to use it, they could go ahead and install   
   >> a different desktop environment.   
   >   
   >   
   > Mint was created in 2006 and was a fork of Kubuntu using KDE. It   
   > switched to GNOME2 and was in lock step with Ubuntu. I don't know how it   
   > differentiated itself.  In 2010 LMDE was released but that is still a   
   > minority product and is seen as a way out if the LM maintainers get   
   > really pissed at Ubuntu.   
      
   Except that now, they are trapped. Both Ubuntu and Debian are proceeding   
   with a rewrite of the most common terminal tools from C to Rust, and it   
   seems to be breaking things. For better or for worse, Mint will share in   
   Ubuntu's mistakes.   
      
   > 2011 was the release of GNOME3, disliked by many and the start of the   
   > Cinnamon project. The switch in the leaderboard might well have been   
   > because of Unity although Cinnamon wasn't ready for prime time in 2011.   
   > I'm not sure it is in 2025 if running under Wayland is a requirement. I   
   > logged into the 'experimental' Cinnamon/Wayland in 22.3 and it lasted   
   > about 10 minutes.   
      
   I used it for a bit and it worked fine... until I decided that I could   
   teach my class with it. Apparently, Cinnamon doesn't do well with   
   mirroring or extending your laptop screen because it crashed and required   
   a log out. I won't be using Wayland with Mint for a bit.   
      
   > GNOME2 lives on in MATE that also goes back to 2011. Fickle public, MATE   
   > is a little too traditional; they want some of GNOME3 but not all of it.   
   > Of course Xfce goes back to the late '90s and is really old school.   
      
   Gnome 3 is actually not so bad. However, to make it great, you need to use   
   extensions. The problem is that once Gnome itself is updated, those   
   extensions break and you have to wait until they too are updated. That's   
   what makes it a mess. Where Cosmic shines is that it integrates a lot of   
   the things Gnome 3 users get through extensions. The result is that it   
   doesn't break. Also, since it's entirely written in Rust, those leftists   
   who consider that a pre-requisite should be overjoyed.   
      
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