XPost: comp.sys.mac.advocacy   
   From: crude@sausa.ge   
      
   On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 03:24:14 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin wrote:   
      
   > -hh  news:10l50jn$1jvep$1@dont-email.me   
   > Sun, 25 Jan 2026 11:59:51 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:   
   >   
   >> Just which models were these?  Are they still being sold new, or are   
   >> they discontinued?   
   >   
   > Are you unable to look anything up for yourself? It's well documented.   
   > Well known. Which makes it very easy to find with your favorite search   
   > engine. Plus, I already shared supporting information concerning this   
   > issue in a previous reply to Alan.   
   >   
   >>>> How does a socket protect against that, exactly?   
   >>>   
   >>> I've never said that a socket would protect you from anything,   
   >>> specifically, Alan.   
   >>   
   >> Which means that you also know that it would not, since a socket's   
   >> function is to be an electrical conduit.   
   >   
   > A socket has the advantage that the component or device connected via it   
   > can be replaced if necessary. without having to make use of a soldering   
   > iron or hot air. I made no commentary with regard to any form of   
   > protection that a socket would offer you vs soldered on. I don't see the   
   > point in this side discussion?   
   >   
   >>> Alan, I haven't seen your response to my question about your knowledge   
   >>> of electronics at the component level. Have I simply missed your   
   >>> response or have you been neglecting to provide one?   
   >>   
   >> Likewise, we've seen criticisms of this failure mode which allude to it   
   >> being specific and unique only to Apple hardware, but no one has said   
   >> that it actually is specific and unique only to Apple hardware: why   
   >> have these criticisms been so deliberately vague on this point?   
   >   
   > Which failure mode specifically are you writing about this time? The   
   > voltage spike or the fact that when the soldered internal SSD dies on a   
   > modern mac the computer becomes a paperweight? Both statements are true.   
   >   
   > Alan was previously under the impression that when the internal drive   
   > dies he can still make use of the computer. That he could use external   
   > media to boot up and operate the computer. That's not the case. When   
   > that drive dies for a variety of possible reasons the computer is   
   > effectively done. You can either replace the logic board or the entire   
   > machine, but, you won't be using that one again as it is once that drive   
   > goes out.   
   >   
   > The internal drive dying and turning the machine into a brick is a known   
   > issue with Apple products. Specifically with Apple products. PC's don't   
   > have this problem. Even a cheap one with a soldered SSD like is found in   
   > Apples can still be operated from external media. The apple, ehh, not so   
   > much, no.   
      
   I would imagine that this is still a problem with more recent Macs. The   
   only reason we know about it in the M1s is that MacOS was buggy at their   
   time of release and used the storage for swap much too often. In other   
   words, it wore out the NVMe prematurely. Apple has since fixed the bug and   
   the NVMe doesn't get overused, but there is no reason to believe that the   
   same thing won't happen to users who reach the NVMe's TBW with their M2,   
   M3, M4 or M5 units.   
      
   I'm sure that Anal will find a way to defend this though.   
      
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