XPost: comp.sys.mac.advocacy   
   From: nuh-uh@nope.com   
      
   On 2026-01-28 19:24, Gremlin wrote:   
   > -hh  news:10l50jn$1jvep$1@dont-email.me   
   > Sun, 25 Jan 2026 11:59:51 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:   
   >   
   >> Just which models were these?  Are they still being sold new, or are   
   >> they discontinued?   
   >   
   > Are you unable to look anything up for yourself? It's well documented. Well   
   > known. Which makes it very easy to find with your favorite search engine.   
   > Plus, I already shared supporting information concerning this issue in a   
   > previous reply to Alan.   
      
   If it's so "well documented" and "easy to find"...   
      
   ...why didn't you just provide it?   
      
   >   
   >>>> How does a socket protect against that, exactly?   
   >>>   
   >>> I've never said that a socket would protect you from anything,   
   >>> specifically, Alan.   
   >>   
   >> Which means that you also know that it would not, since a socket's   
   >> function is to be an electrical conduit.   
   >   
   > A socket has the advantage that the component or device connected via it can   
   > be replaced if necessary. without having to make use of a soldering iron or   
   > hot air. I made no commentary with regard to any form of protection that a   
   > socket would offer you vs soldered on. I don't see the point in this side   
   > discussion?   
      
   The point was (as you conveniently snipped) that someone suggested that   
   Macs are somehow more susceptible to a "13V shock", because their SSDs   
   are soldered.   
      
   >   
   >>> Alan, I haven't seen your response to my question about your knowledge   
   >>> of electronics at the component level. Have I simply missed your   
   >>> response or have you been neglecting to provide one?   
   >>   
   >> Likewise, we've seen criticisms of this failure mode which allude to it   
   >> being specific and unique only to Apple hardware, but no one has said   
   >> that it actually is specific and unique only to Apple hardware: why have   
   >> these criticisms been so deliberately vague on this point?   
   >   
   > Which failure mode specifically are you writing about this time? The voltage   
   > spike or the fact that when the soldered internal SSD dies on a modern mac   
   > the computer becomes a paperweight? Both statements are true.   
   >   
   > Alan was previously under the impression that when the internal drive dies   
   > he can still make use of the computer. That he could use external media to   
   > boot up and operate the computer. That's not the case. When that drive dies   
   > for a variety of possible reasons the computer is effectively done. You can   
   > either replace the logic board or the entire machine, but, you won't be   
   > using that one again as it is once that drive goes out.   
      
   But what you have failed to demonstrated is that internal drives "die"   
   in the manner you're talking about; at least not in numbers or in a time   
   frame that actually matters to ordinary consumers.   
      
   Would I prefer that Apple hadn't chosen this setup? Sure.   
      
   Do I still want to continue using Macs despite that choice? Absolutely.   
      
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