From: ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com   
      
   On 2026-01-29, CrudeSausage  wrote:   
   > On 29 Jan 2026 03:01:46 GMT, rbowman wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 28 Jan 2026 23:52:15 GMT, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> Hence, what I was saying about Ubuntu being the catalyst. I don't know   
   >>> why Mint needed to be created in 2011, but I imagine it was because the   
   >>> community was offended by Mir or Unity. In Mir's case, Canonical was   
   >>> actually trying to fix a problem, so I'm a little surprised that the   
   >>> community were against it. Similarly, there was nothing wrong with   
   >>> Unity. If people didn't want to use it, they could go ahead and install   
   >>> a different desktop environment.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Mint was created in 2006 and was a fork of Kubuntu using KDE. It   
   >> switched to GNOME2 and was in lock step with Ubuntu. I don't know how it   
   >> differentiated itself.  In 2010 LMDE was released but that is still a   
   >> minority product and is seen as a way out if the LM maintainers get   
   >> really pissed at Ubuntu.   
   >   
   > Except that now, they are trapped. Both Ubuntu and Debian are proceeding   
   > with a rewrite of the most common terminal tools from C to Rust, and it   
   > seems to be breaking things. For better or for worse, Mint will share in   
   > Ubuntu's mistakes.   
      
   We'll see. Linux Mint has been pretty good at deviating from Ubuntu when   
   they don't like the direction they've gone. You may be right. Like I say,   
   we'll see.   
      
   >> 2011 was the release of GNOME3, disliked by many and the start of the   
   >> Cinnamon project. The switch in the leaderboard might well have been   
   >> because of Unity although Cinnamon wasn't ready for prime time in 2011.   
   >> I'm not sure it is in 2025 if running under Wayland is a requirement. I   
   >> logged into the 'experimental' Cinnamon/Wayland in 22.3 and it lasted   
   >> about 10 minutes.   
   >   
   > I used it for a bit and it worked fine... until I decided that I could   
   > teach my class with it. Apparently, Cinnamon doesn't do well with   
   > mirroring or extending your laptop screen because it crashed and required   
   > a log out. I won't be using Wayland with Mint for a bit.   
      
   I have no desire to move to Wayland, so as long as Xorg works well in Linux   
   Mint, I'm happy.   
      
   >> GNOME2 lives on in MATE that also goes back to 2011. Fickle public, MATE   
   >> is a little too traditional; they want some of GNOME3 but not all of it.   
   >> Of course Xfce goes back to the late '90s and is really old school.   
   >   
   > Gnome 3 is actually not so bad. However, to make it great, you need to use   
   > extensions. The problem is that once Gnome itself is updated, those   
   > extensions break and you have to wait until they too are updated. That's   
   > what makes it a mess. Where Cosmic shines is that it integrates a lot of   
   > the things Gnome 3 users get through extensions. The result is that it   
   > doesn't break. Also, since it's entirely written in Rust, those leftists   
   > who consider that a pre-requisite should be overjoyed.   
      
   There's a lot about Gnome that I don't like. But choice is good. To each   
   their own.   
      
   --   
   "Not just insane... Trump insane."   
      
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