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   On 1/28/26 22:24, Gremlin wrote:   
   > -hh  news:10l50jn$1jvep$1@dont-email.me   
   > Sun, 25 Jan 2026 11:59:51 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:   
   >   
   >> Just which models were these?  Are they still being sold new, or are   
   >> they discontinued?   
   >   
   > Are you unable to look anything up for yourself?   
      
   Wasn't my claim:  are you unwilling to substantiate your claims?   
      
      
   > It's well documented. Well known.   
   > Which makes it very easy to find with your favorite search engine.   
      
   Unsubstantiated claim:  cite, please.   
      
      
   > Plus, I already shared supporting information concerning this issue in a   
   > previous reply to Alan.   
      
   Sorry, I overlooked it (I don't read every last post); can you please   
   repost the link here?   
      
      
   >>>> How does a socket protect against that, exactly?   
   >>>   
   >>> I've never said that a socket would protect you from anything,   
   >>> specifically, Alan.   
   >>   
   >> Which means that you also know that it would not, since a socket's   
   >> function is to be an electrical conduit.   
   >   
   > A socket has the advantage that the component or device connected via it can   
   > be replaced if necessary. without having to make use of a soldering iron or   
   > hot air.   
      
   Of course, and not in contention in this context.   
      
   > I made no commentary with regard to any form of protection that a   
   > socket would offer you vs soldered on. I don't see the point in this side   
   > discussion?   
      
   Yet you did talk of a voltage spike (eg, 13v) leaving the NAND and   
   frying something else on the PC (e.g. motherboard).   
      
   I see no logical reason why socket-vs-soldered would make any difference   
   for that claimed failure mode, so I asked what difference it would make.   
      
   After all, we don't want to fall victim of the logical fallacy of   
   claiming a distinction without a difference, right?  So please identify   
   how solder-vs-socket makes any difference for this failure mode that you   
   have specifically elevated to our attention.   
      
   >>> Alan, I haven't seen your response to my question about your knowledge   
   >>> of electronics at the component level. Have I simply missed your   
   >>> response or have you been neglecting to provide one?   
   >>   
   >> Likewise, we've seen criticisms of this failure mode which allude to it   
   >> being specific and unique only to Apple hardware, but no one has said   
   >> that it actually is specific and unique only to Apple hardware: why have   
   >> these criticisms been so deliberately vague on this point?   
   >   
   > Which failure mode specifically are you writing about this time? The voltage   
   > spike or the fact that when the soldered internal SSD dies on a modern mac   
   > the computer becomes a paperweight? Both statements are true.   
      
   The former.   
      
   Now regarding the latter:   
      
   > Alan was previously under the impression that when the internal drive dies   
   > he can still make use of the computer. That he could use external media to   
   > boot up and operate the computer. That's not the case.   
      
   It is no longer the case today, but it used to be true.   
      
   > When that drive dies   
   > for a variety of possible reasons the computer is effectively done. You can   
   > either replace the logic board or the entire machine, but, you won't be   
   > using that one again as it is once that drive goes out.   
      
   Which because of Apple's additional security/encryption systems, right?   
      
   Frankly, I don't see this risk as being all that particularly high   
   because solid state electronics failure curve is the "bathtub", where it   
   is either going to fail ~immediately (potentially even before it gets to   
   the retail consumer), or pretty close to "never":  for the typical   
   business and productivity-centric use case, we really only have to worry   
   about 99.9% making it out to 5-7 years.  Overall, this is: (a) why one   
   always keeps backups, & (b) a trade-off on data security protocols.   
      
      
   > The internal drive dying and turning the machine into a brick is a known   
   > issue with Apple products. Specifically with Apple products. PC's don't have   
   > this problem. Even a cheap one with a soldered SSD like is found in Apples   
   > can still be operated from external media. The apple, ehh, not so much, no.   
      
      
   Because they lack hardware level built-in security...right?   
      
   As I said above, that's a trade-off on data security protocols.   
      
      
   -hh   
      
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