From: crude@sausa.ge   
      
   On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 08:33:46 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:   
      
   > On 2026-01-29, CrudeSausage  wrote:   
   >> On 29 Jan 2026 03:01:46 GMT, rbowman wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 28 Jan 2026 23:52:15 GMT, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> Hence, what I was saying about Ubuntu being the catalyst. I don't   
   >>>> know why Mint needed to be created in 2011, but I imagine it was   
   >>>> because the community was offended by Mir or Unity. In Mir's case,   
   >>>> Canonical was actually trying to fix a problem, so I'm a little   
   >>>> surprised that the community were against it. Similarly, there was   
   >>>> nothing wrong with Unity. If people didn't want to use it, they could   
   >>>> go ahead and install a different desktop environment.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Mint was created in 2006 and was a fork of Kubuntu using KDE. It   
   >>> switched to GNOME2 and was in lock step with Ubuntu. I don't know how   
   >>> it differentiated itself.  In 2010 LMDE was released but that is still   
   >>> a minority product and is seen as a way out if the LM maintainers get   
   >>> really pissed at Ubuntu.   
   >>   
   >> Except that now, they are trapped. Both Ubuntu and Debian are   
   >> proceeding with a rewrite of the most common terminal tools from C to   
   >> Rust, and it seems to be breaking things. For better or for worse, Mint   
   >> will share in Ubuntu's mistakes.   
   >   
   > We'll see. Linux Mint has been pretty good at deviating from Ubuntu when   
   > they don't like the direction they've gone. You may be right. Like I   
   > say, we'll see.   
   >   
   >>> 2011 was the release of GNOME3, disliked by many and the start of the   
   >>> Cinnamon project. The switch in the leaderboard might well have been   
   >>> because of Unity although Cinnamon wasn't ready for prime time in   
   >>> 2011. I'm not sure it is in 2025 if running under Wayland is a   
   >>> requirement. I logged into the 'experimental' Cinnamon/Wayland in 22.3   
   >>> and it lasted about 10 minutes.   
   >>   
   >> I used it for a bit and it worked fine... until I decided that I could   
   >> teach my class with it. Apparently, Cinnamon doesn't do well with   
   >> mirroring or extending your laptop screen because it crashed and   
   >> required a log out. I won't be using Wayland with Mint for a bit.   
   >   
   > I have no desire to move to Wayland, so as long as Xorg works well in   
   > Linux Mint, I'm happy.   
      
   I'm only really hoping that they stay away from the rewrite of common   
   terminal tools. The ones there work fine and didn't need to be rewritten   
   in Rust. It's only proceeding because the Rust advocates as are devoted to   
   the language as the Apple zealots are to their company. In daily   
   operation, the Rust alternatives provide no benefit whatsoever and   
   probably never will.   
      
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