From: ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com   
      
   On 2026-01-30, CrudeSausage  wrote:   
   > On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 08:33:46 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2026-01-29, CrudeSausage  wrote:   
   >>> On 29 Jan 2026 03:01:46 GMT, rbowman wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 28 Jan 2026 23:52:15 GMT, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Hence, what I was saying about Ubuntu being the catalyst. I don't   
   >>>>> know why Mint needed to be created in 2011, but I imagine it was   
   >>>>> because the community was offended by Mir or Unity. In Mir's case,   
   >>>>> Canonical was actually trying to fix a problem, so I'm a little   
   >>>>> surprised that the community were against it. Similarly, there was   
   >>>>> nothing wrong with Unity. If people didn't want to use it, they could   
   >>>>> go ahead and install a different desktop environment.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Mint was created in 2006 and was a fork of Kubuntu using KDE. It   
   >>>> switched to GNOME2 and was in lock step with Ubuntu. I don't know how   
   >>>> it differentiated itself.  In 2010 LMDE was released but that is still   
   >>>> a minority product and is seen as a way out if the LM maintainers get   
   >>>> really pissed at Ubuntu.   
   >>>   
   >>> Except that now, they are trapped. Both Ubuntu and Debian are   
   >>> proceeding with a rewrite of the most common terminal tools from C to   
   >>> Rust, and it seems to be breaking things. For better or for worse, Mint   
   >>> will share in Ubuntu's mistakes.   
   >>   
   >> We'll see. Linux Mint has been pretty good at deviating from Ubuntu when   
   >> they don't like the direction they've gone. You may be right. Like I   
   >> say, we'll see.   
   >>   
   >>>> 2011 was the release of GNOME3, disliked by many and the start of the   
   >>>> Cinnamon project. The switch in the leaderboard might well have been   
   >>>> because of Unity although Cinnamon wasn't ready for prime time in   
   >>>> 2011. I'm not sure it is in 2025 if running under Wayland is a   
   >>>> requirement. I logged into the 'experimental' Cinnamon/Wayland in 22.3   
   >>>> and it lasted about 10 minutes.   
   >>>   
   >>> I used it for a bit and it worked fine... until I decided that I could   
   >>> teach my class with it. Apparently, Cinnamon doesn't do well with   
   >>> mirroring or extending your laptop screen because it crashed and   
   >>> required a log out. I won't be using Wayland with Mint for a bit.   
   >>   
   >> I have no desire to move to Wayland, so as long as Xorg works well in   
   >> Linux Mint, I'm happy.   
   >   
   > I'm only really hoping that they stay away from the rewrite of common   
   > terminal tools. The ones there work fine and didn't need to be rewritten   
   > in Rust. It's only proceeding because the Rust advocates as are devoted to   
   > the language as the Apple zealots are to their company. In daily   
   > operation, the Rust alternatives provide no benefit whatsoever and   
   > probably never will.   
   >   
   >< snip >   
      
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