From: crude@sausa.ge   
      
   On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 01:50:03 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:   
      
   > On 2026-01-30, CrudeSausage  wrote:   
   >> On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 08:33:46 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 2026-01-29, CrudeSausage  wrote:   
   >>>> On 29 Jan 2026 03:01:46 GMT, rbowman wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On 28 Jan 2026 23:52:15 GMT, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> Hence, what I was saying about Ubuntu being the catalyst. I don't   
   >>>>>> know why Mint needed to be created in 2011, but I imagine it was   
   >>>>>> because the community was offended by Mir or Unity. In Mir's case,   
   >>>>>> Canonical was actually trying to fix a problem, so I'm a little   
   >>>>>> surprised that the community were against it. Similarly, there was   
   >>>>>> nothing wrong with Unity. If people didn't want to use it, they   
   >>>>>> could go ahead and install a different desktop environment.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Mint was created in 2006 and was a fork of Kubuntu using KDE. It   
   >>>>> switched to GNOME2 and was in lock step with Ubuntu. I don't know   
   >>>>> how it differentiated itself.  In 2010 LMDE was released but that is   
   >>>>> still a minority product and is seen as a way out if the LM   
   >>>>> maintainers get really pissed at Ubuntu.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Except that now, they are trapped. Both Ubuntu and Debian are   
   >>>> proceeding with a rewrite of the most common terminal tools from C to   
   >>>> Rust, and it seems to be breaking things. For better or for worse,   
   >>>> Mint will share in Ubuntu's mistakes.   
   >>>   
   >>> We'll see. Linux Mint has been pretty good at deviating from Ubuntu   
   >>> when they don't like the direction they've gone. You may be right.   
   >>> Like I say, we'll see.   
   >>>   
   >>>>> 2011 was the release of GNOME3, disliked by many and the start of   
   >>>>> the Cinnamon project. The switch in the leaderboard might well have   
   >>>>> been because of Unity although Cinnamon wasn't ready for prime time   
   >>>>> in 2011. I'm not sure it is in 2025 if running under Wayland is a   
   >>>>> requirement. I logged into the 'experimental' Cinnamon/Wayland in   
   >>>>> 22.3 and it lasted about 10 minutes.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I used it for a bit and it worked fine... until I decided that I   
   >>>> could teach my class with it. Apparently, Cinnamon doesn't do well   
   >>>> with mirroring or extending your laptop screen because it crashed and   
   >>>> required a log out. I won't be using Wayland with Mint for a bit.   
   >>>   
   >>> I have no desire to move to Wayland, so as long as Xorg works well in   
   >>> Linux Mint, I'm happy.   
   >>   
   >> I'm only really hoping that they stay away from the rewrite of common   
   >> terminal tools. The ones there work fine and didn't need to be   
   >> rewritten in Rust. It's only proceeding because the Rust advocates as   
   >> are devoted to the language as the Apple zealots are to their company.   
   >> In daily operation, the Rust alternatives provide no benefit whatsoever   
   >> and probably never will.   
   >>   
   >>< snip >   
   >   
   > I always figure if something works, don't "fix" it.   
      
   And yet, faggots who have infiltrated the Linux community insist that   
   everything needs to be rewritten.   
      
      
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