XPost: comp.sys.mac.advocacy, alt.computer.workshop   
   From: nuh-uh@nope.com   
      
   On 2026-01-30 07:55, Joel W. Crump wrote:   
   > On 1/29/26 8:41 PM, Alan wrote:   
   >   
   >>>>>>> The problem with the iPhone is that it's an Apple   
   >>>>>>> product.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> So despite your claims about Apple users, this is really   
   >>>>>> about your irrational reaction to a particular company.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Got it.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> My claims about Apple users are bullshit, yeah.  I mean,   
   >>>>> there are extreme examples that could caricature Mac users,   
   >>>>> but that doesn't hold up to the statistics of people using   
   >>>>> Macs.  It's fair to say that Apple makes me pretty deranged   
   >>>>> and yet they behave pretty deranged, so, ya know.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> No. I do NOT know.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I've worked with people who use Macs and iPhones (and iPads)   
   >>>> for decades, and they're no more "deranged" than any other   
   >>>> group.   
   >>>   
   >>> I was talking about Apple corporate.   
   >>   
   >> And in what way are THEY "deranged".   
   >>   
   >> Watch out for circular argument here.   
   >   
   >   
   > Objectively, Apple isn't interested in competition, that's purely a   
   > facade.  They need Microsoft to be what it is, so they can be the   
   > quirky alternative for quirky alternative people.  As such, their   
   > hardware and software both languish under mediocre development.   
      
   You clearly don't know what "objectively" means.   
      
   Apple produces products and those products compete with other personal   
   digital devices in the market place.   
      
   Apple's hardware is clearly leading the way in certain areas...   
      
   ...and you've never been able to articulate a single issue with their   
   software.   
      
      
   >   
   >   
   >>>>>>> We should want to punish Apple any way possible.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Why? What have they done to deserve (and I can absolutely   
   >>>>>> believe you'd use this word): "punishment"?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Well, let's think about it from a perspective we'd at least   
   >>>>> agree is worth considering - Apple through their Mac product   
   >>>>> line does serve a real need in computing.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That's an unsupported assertion.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Apple's Mac product line serves the real needs of its users so   
   >>>> well, they almost never EVER want to use anything else ever   
   >>>> again.   
   >>>   
   >>> Yeah so ask yourself why, you yourself have talked up   
   >>> repeatedly buying Macs, you probably have the slightest   
   >>> insight.   
   >>   
   >> Again: not really English.   
   >   
   >   
   > Again:  you are admitting not really being able to read English.   
      
   No. I'm stating that you wrote a sentence that makes no sense.   
      
   Let's remove the somewhat parenthetical clause from the middle of the   
   sentence, and look at what you wrote:   
      
   "Yeah so ask yourself why you probably have the slightest insight.   
      
   In what world does that sentence make sense?   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>> "Real need in computing" here means that there is more than a   
   >>> niche market for macOS and software designed for it.   
   >>   
   >> Circular argument.   
   >>   
   >> macOS and software designed for it encompass the vast majority of   
   >> things that people want to do with personal computers.   
   >   
   >   
   > OK but why are they choosing the Mac?   
      
   That's a very good question.   
      
   How about: because they've found it works well for them.   
      
   > Is it just what was placed   
   > in front of them?  Usually, it's a very intentional choice, in fact,   
   > and I'm recognizing that but since I'm expecting Apple to up its   
   > game in response,   
      
   Why would Apple "up its game" in response to people being ferociously   
   loyal to their products.   
      
   I'm serious:   
      
   I've used, sold, supported both Macs and PCs for more than 30 years.   
      
   And in all that time, I've encountered less half a dozen people who   
   tried a Mac and wanted to go back to a PC.   
      
   My current work is computer and network support, and while I TECHNICALLY   
   have clients with Macs for whom I provide support, the truth is that   
   they almost never need assistance.   
      
   > you leap into attacking me and avoiding addressing   
      
   I've never attacked YOU. I've attacked your bizarre arguments.   
      
   > Apple's deranged behavior.   
      
   In what way is it "deranged"?   
      
   > You're loyal, to be sure, but more to   
   > Apple's derangement itself, as if you work for them.   
   >   
   >   
   >>> I myself almost liked it, I admit, the Unix components made it   
   >>> something of value, but the Apple GUI is just too tragic.   
   >>   
   >> In some way you'll never actually articulate...   
   >   
   >   
   > It's just inferior software, I know it when I see it.   
      
   But can't explain it.   
      
   Got it.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>> But for those who really benefit from using Macs, there isn't   
   >>> an alternative, and it seems that Apple could do more to offer   
   >>> them something of a competitive deal on a system.   
   >>   
   >> Apple's role as a manufacturer and seller of...   
   >>   
   >> ...well, anything...   
   >>   
   >> ...is to produce products that people are willing to purchase, and   
   >> to make a profit while doing so.   
   >>   
   >> Or do you not understand how a market economy works?   
   >   
   >   
   > If you want to see Apple in the context of the market economy,   
   > well, that opens up a whole can of worms, they're bourgeois,   
   > mediocre, very typical of how people with too much money will find   
   > ways to spend it and yet get next to nothing for their efforts,   
   > because they're too much of gigantic dorks to know the right shit to   
   > buy.   
      
   Lots of "ad hominem" ("they're bourgeois"?), and vague argument there.   
      
   >   
   > You're welcome, fanboy.   
   >   
   >   
   >>>>> There are people who simply get better results using   
   >>>>> Apple's equipment for a PC, their software to run it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Not even an understandable sentence...   
   >>>   
   >>> You're not trying very hard, then.  But that's OK, I know your   
   >>> only goal here is to compete with me.   
   >>   
   >> You think far too highly of yourself.   
   >   
   >   
   > It's funny you'd say that though given how you seem to perceive   
   > yourself, but OK.   
      
   Learn proper English punctuation.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>>>> As such, the price gouging on hardware sales does trouble   
   >>>>> me, as a regulator.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You're NOT a "regulator".   
   >>>   
   >>> I could make Apple repay its customers for overcharging them   
   >>> over a long period of time.  But I know better than to overuse   
   >>> authority.   
   >>   
   >> Your megalomania is showing again.   
   >   
   >   
   > Your ignorance might be, if you really think I'm a megalomaniac.   
      
   LOL!   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>>>> I don't know that it crosses the line into requiring   
   >>>>> government oversight and yet it certainly does ask that   
   >>>>> question.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Only in your (self-admitted) deranged mind.   
   >>>   
   >>> They probably would end up getting away with it because it's   
   >>> like some proprietary luxuries, unfortunately, you pay to play   
   >>> and these right- brained Mac users are gonna have to play by   
   >>> Apple's rules, even as it makes them look like sheep.  I can't   
   >>> just wave my hand and set their prices, though they push their   
      
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