XPost: comp.sys.mac.advocacy, alt.computer.workshop   
   From: nuh-uh@nope.com   
      
   On 2026-02-05 01:46, Joel W. Crump wrote:   
   > On 2/4/26 9:44 PM, Alan wrote:   
   >   
   >>>>>   What a load of bullshit, dude, you just work for Apple, so you're   
   >>>>> getting your slice of the pie.  It's obvious.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Nope. Sorry. The closest I ever came to "work[ing] for Apple" was   
   >>>> when I was selling Macs at an Apple dealer...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> nearly 30 YEARS ago.   
   >>>   
   >>> I want to believe you, but it would really almost be worse, to be   
   >>> such a fan that you do this backbreaking work for them without being   
   >>> compensated.  When I first came to the advocacy newsgroups, I was   
   >>> promoting Windows 7, for example, I have my past as a Linux skeptic,   
   >>> but I also promoted what was then called OpenOffice, I was critical   
   >>> of MS in ways that showed insight and willingness to acknowledge its   
   >>> flaws.   
   >>>   
   >>> You don't seem to have anything negative to say about Apple.   
   >>   
   >> I have lots of negative things to say.   
   >>   
   >> You're just not paying attention.   
   >   
   >   
   > That's obviously a lie, you won't admit the SSD overcharging issue,   
      
   WHAT "overcharging issue" would that be: the alleged 13V "spike"...   
      
   ...which applies whether or not your SSD is soldered or socketed?   
      
   > something that is transparently price gouging, no matter how much it's   
   > talked about you stick to your guns, because you literally are an Apple   
   > employee, paid to post here.   
      
   No. I am not.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>> If all their revenue for the Mac line is hardware sales, it's   
   >>>>>>>>> weird how they don't focus more on having competitive hardware,   
   >>>>>>>>> but that's Apple,   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Their hardware sells well.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Mac sales figures continue to trend upward, so you proceed from   
   >>>>>>>> a false premise.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Shitty OEM PCs sell well, too.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> OK? So?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> How do you not see the point, we know Apple sells a lot, the   
   >>>>> question is whether this really makes sense if consumers knew what   
   >>>>> they were actually paying for.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And once again, you assume that only you are smart enough to figure   
   >>>> out this kind of thing.   
   >>>   
   >>> I don't assume any such thing, actually.   
   >>   
   >> That is LITERALLY what you assumed.   
   >>   
   >> "If consumers knew" assumes that they do NOT.   
   >   
   >   
   > So that means I think *I* am the only one who sees through this?  'Cause   
   > I am not.  Lots of people hate Apple for very similar reasons to mine.   
      
   "Hate"? Dude... ...HATING a company because they sell their products at   
   prices people are willing to pay is messed up.   
      
   You should seek out a mental health professional.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>> It might come relatively easily to me, but common sense should tell a   
   >>> potential customer visiting Apple's site that their Mac line is   
   >>> overpriced.  And comparing it to PCs they will definitely find   
   >>> products that offer betters specs at comparable quality.  This is why   
   >>> Mac users are a cult, they stand out as being exceedingly loyal to a   
   >>> company that gouges them.   
   >>   
   >> But you ASSUME that the only things that matter are the hardware specs.   
   >>   
   >> They are NOT the only things that matter.   
   >   
   >   
   > They matter in price.  What is Apple giving you otherwise, their crap   
   > software?   
      
   You saying it's "crap" doesn't make it so?   
      
   > AppleCare if you pay extra?  Nonstandard interface ports that   
   > they claim are better 'cause they say so?  What a joke.  What a total   
   > cult.  And you're the ringleader.   
      
   What "non-standard" ports has Apple ever used, since ADB (Apple Desktop   
   Bus)?   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>> I hate Apple with a severe passion, almost to   
   >>>>>>>>> the point of obsession.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Oh, well past that point.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I do other things with my time than debate computers on Usenet.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Yet you reply to almost every post of mine instantly.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> It varies, in this particular case I hadn't even been on the   
   >>>>> computer enough in the last couple days to catch up on Usenet, but   
   >>>>> that is unusual for me, sure.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Riiiiiiiight.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> My bet: you felt a need to prove you didn't reply instantly all the   
   >>>> time, and so deliberately refrained until some had passed.   
   >>>   
   >>> You would not win the bet, I was really not feeling great, I was   
   >>> spending time resting, and when I was on the computer I found it very   
   >>> tiring.  I simply never even checked for new messages in COLA during   
   >>> the period of time.  You can not believe me, but that only enables me   
   >>> not to believe your denials about working for Apple.  So have it your   
   >>> way.   
   >>   
   >> Sure. I will.   
   >   
   >   
   > So you're delusional, OK.   
      
   The irony in that sentence is off the scale.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>> It has led me to even exaggerate including personal attacks on   
   >>>>>>>>> Mac users, but I try to also actually address the real matters   
   >>>>>>>>> at work, and Apple is guilty of a lot.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Apple is "guilty" of making products that people want to purchase   
   >>>>>>>> and stick with in the face of less expensive alternatives...   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> ...and you have to pretend that must mean they are "stoned" or in   
   >>>>>>>> some other way, less than your "brilliant" self...   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> ...rather than admit that they are rational, reasonable people   
   >>>>>>>> making rational, reasonable choices.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> $200 for half of a 512 GB SSD.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> $200 to upgrade from 256GB to 512GB.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Yes.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> So...   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> ...what?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You wanna know "so what"?!   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Yes.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   Are you kidding me?  The wholesale cost of the SSD doesn't match   
   >>>>> with this "upgrade" price, not even remotely, it's why 512 GB   
   >>>>> should be the base model, but no, Apple is years behind the times   
   >>>>> on this. When I built my computer that died prematurely last year,   
   >>>>> in 2021, I had a 1 TB NVMe WD Blue drive, for a little over $100 as   
   >>>>> a part.  Is Apple's gear, relative to it being five years later, so   
   >>>>> much better, or has the value of money inflated so much, or what   
   >>>>> the HELL gives? Why is it $200 when you're already paying for a 256   
   >>>>> GB drive you no longer get?!  How can you defend these clowns,   
   >>>>> seriously?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> PEOPLE buy SYSTEMS. The only thing that matters is the value of the...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> ...SYSTEM AS A WHOLE...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> ...as determined by...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> ...the PEOPLE WHO USE THEM.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The question you should really be asking is:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Why people are willing to spend so much more if all that matters is   
   >>>> the initial cost?   
   >>>   
   >>> You don't think I'd see that as simple deflection?  Come on, we're   
      
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